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2 hours ago, Manther said:

He's paid about  30% less than Ginn.  What is sad is he's our highest paid receiver:

Russell Shepard    $3,525,000 
Devin Funchess    $1,756,648 
Curtis Samuel    $1,466,741 
    

Some perspective, Patriots spend out twice as much as we do on WRs and Secondary.  

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6 hours ago, KillerKat said:

Yeah and Shaq #8 lol

Yeah, but Shaq is actually a really good outside LB.... He just shouldn't be asked to guard fast slot receivers, as no LB should...

Shaq is a great player bud.

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32 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

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2017 numbers  from overthecap.com

Ginn

Year Age Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap
Number
Cap %  
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 
Prorated Roster Workout Other
2017 32 $2,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $3,000,000 1.8%    

Shepherd:

Year Age Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap
Number
Cap %  
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 
Prorated Roster Workout Other
2017 27 $1,100,000 $700,000 $400,000 $150,000 $0 $2,300,000 1.4%    

(3-2.3)/2.3 =.304  or 30%  Ginn made 30% more last season...maybe more, I don't know if Shepherd earned his bonuses...I hope not.

Ginn's contract here and at the Saints:

Year Team Base Salary (Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap
Number
Cap %
Prorated Roster Workout Other
                 
2016 Panthers $1,400,000 $850,000 $0 $100,000 $425,000 $2,775,000 1.8%
2017 Saints $2,000,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $3,000,000 1.8%

 

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3 hours ago, Manther said:

He's paid about  30% less than Ginn.  What is sad is he's our highest paid receiver:

Russell Shepard    $3,525,000 
Devin Funchess    $1,756,648 
Curtis Samuel    $1,466,741 
    

Some perspective, Patriots spend out twice as much as we do on WRs and Secondary.  

Ginn: 3 years, $11M with $3M guaranteed

Shepard: 3 years, $10M with $2.1M guaranteed.

Both contracts were written where the guy could be cut after the first or second year with relatively little cap damage. We'll be cutting Shepard for sure. The Saints will be keeping Ginn for sure.

We absolutely should've given Ginn the contract the Saints gave him and stayed far the he'll away from Shepard, but as always hindsight is 20/20.

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ginn: 3 years, $11M with $3M guaranteed

Shepard: 3 years, $10M with $2.1M guaranteed.

Both contracts were written where the guy could be cut after the first or second year with relatively little cap damage. We'll be cutting Shepard for sure. The Saints will be keeping Ginn for sure.

We absolutely should've given Ginn the contract the Saints gave him and stayed far the he'll away from Shepard, but as always hindsight is 20/20.

I agree, I would be surprised  if we keep Shepherd for 3 years which is why I was comparing  only the 2017 numbers rather than total contract.    I understand not signing a 3 year contract for an older receiver with butter for hands.  But Ginn kicked butt this year and made us pay for it.  You are right hindsight is 20/20.  Here's to hoping next year is different.

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While I agree that we should have kept Ginn, you can't really compare the contract he signed with NO with the one Shepard signed with us.    

Shepard signed here more for ST than WR.  He was meant to be a prominent player on ST, but nothing more than a supporting WR.  I don't think they planned on him being anything more than a #4 or 5 receiver here (KB, Funch, & Samuel were clearly ahead of him...not to mention CMC's role in the passing game).  However, injuries forced him into a more prominent role than they wanted.  So, the problem isn't Ginn vs. Shepard, it's that Shepard was forced into a role he wasn't suited for and nobody really wanted for him.

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Yeeks

Worley 71 out of 76 as our starting CB

Captain 30 out of 35 as our Nickelback

 

How Bradberry is up so high blows my mind as he played no better than Worley late this season.

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I wonder how much the rotation hurts DL numbers. Some of the values seem reasonable (Shepard LOL) and some seem way off.

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20 hours ago, thomas96 said:

God damn I'd have rather we made keeping Norwell a priority before this season than Trai...

Norwell is the more consistent player, Trai has the higher upside, and is younger.

Either would have been a good signing, and even though I believe in a solid O Line, I'm not sure that we can spend that kind of coin on the G's, when we have a QB on his BIG contract....amongst other players.

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1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Norwell is the more consistent player, Trai has the higher upside, and is younger.

Either would have been a good signing, and even though I believe in a solid O Line, I'm not sure that we can spend that kind of coin on the G's, when we have a QB on his BIG contract....amongst other players.

You can't really be better than Norwell was this year... He's the exact prototype of a player you want around for 10+ years with your team no matter what. He's got everything you want from a player. We already made the moves so it doesn't matter now unless we actually decide to pay both guards, and who knew before the year Norwell would've been that damn good, but signing Trai instead of Norwell was definitely a mistake.

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4 hours ago, Byrdman4real said:

Hell Byrd was better then shepard even with the limited games

Shepard was unbelievably bad. Easily the worst WR on the roster this year. Clay, Bersin, Byrd... they were all better than the highest paid WR on the roster.

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On 2/2/2018 at 5:46 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

They have Colin Jones ranked as the #18 SS in the NFL? What in the hell are they smoking? They're definitely not considering CMC's receiving yardage either. I think Horton is a little low too. He's a solid rotational DE. Star falling victim to them likely just looking at stat sheets. There are definitely not 53 better DTs in the NFL than Star Lotulelei. I don't think Worley sucks quite THAT bad, but yeah, he's not a good CB. LOL @ Russell Shepard's straight up 0.00%. Would anyone disagree? Certainly not me. Not sure what they're thinking with Peppers, there's definitely not 42 better DEs in the NFL. Not even close. 

Jones had a good year. He made plays when asked to fill in, and our defense played better when we replaced Captain.  Jones really took a big step forward this year.

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