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Trump's lawyer Cohen says he he paid off Porn Star Stormy Daniels with his money

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2 minutes ago, Cat said:

Ugh no just because they don't think an affair is an impeachable offense doesn't mean they don't value morality.  (Also I don't hear dems claiming the President should be impeached over an affair)

Ask John Edwards, Anthony Weiner and Al Franken.

the left cried, "its nobodys business" on the Clinton affairs and even Monica, so not sure why they would charge immorality now, except maybe politics.

Like I said, I think they are both scummy guys, but one group cried morality against Clinton and are silent now, the other group, just the reverse

And the merry go round just keeps going

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1 hour ago, stirs said:

the left cried, "its nobodys business" on the Clinton affairs and even Monica, so not sure why they would charge immorality now, except maybe politics.

Like I said, I think they are both scummy guys, but one group cried morality against Clinton and are silent now, the other group, just the reverse

And the merry go round just keeps going

You are changing peoples reactions to suite your narrative.

Like I said, affairs are not really anyones business it's certainly not impeachable like the Republicans tried to make it.  However paying someone off with secret money that is possibly campaign funds like what John Edwards did is against the law and is societies business. 

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18 minutes ago, Cat said:

You are changing peoples reactions to suite your narrative.

Like I said, affairs are not really anyones business it's certainly not impeachable like the Republicans tried to make it.  However paying someone off with secret money is possibility campaign funds like what John Edwards did is against the law and is societies business. 

That.

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1 hour ago, stirs said:

The hyper partisan stuff is so laughable

Why can't we, at the same time, be outraged at a President who was unfaithful to his wife before his presidency and at the same time be outraged at one getting bj's from someone in the White House.

Can we not come to the conclusion that both are scummy human beings?  Why be all outraged only because of the D or R?  Kinda kills your faux morality

The fact that you think any of the things Trump is accused of is partisan is elegantly proving my point. Thank you.

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One thing this whole mess has made crystal clear is that evangelicals are indeed the full of poo self absorbed hucksters I always thought they were, and I no longer have any issues making my opinion known on the matter when appropriate. 

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To be fair, Clinton's impeachment was for perjury and obstruction of justice; which is also still in the cards for Trump.

And in the same vain, continuing to trot out comparisons to previous Presidents is not a Trumpian propaganda act, it's how the right constructs their talking points these days. Bill Clinton was first elected over 24 years ago, Hillary was never elected, yet the right continues to set their own Trump barometer on these 2 people. And if you listen to the right, they don't think much of either of the Clintons, so they've established their own metrics pretty fugging low, eh?

So yeah, there are differing moral compasses when talking about a consensual affair versus blatant sexual assault and predatory behavior.   

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Here's how effective this propaganda campaign is. Imagine you knew the following about, let's say a Lithuanian leader:

  1. He's a billionaire who won't disclose his personal finances.
  2. He's got shady real estate deals, including selling property at huge markups to foreign oligarchs.
  3. He's got people on his staff who were busted for international money laundering.
  4. Multiple people in his administration have been indicted and plead guilty to lying to Lithuanian authorities.
  5. A foreign spy wrote a detailed dossier that says this Lithuanian politician is compromised by a hostile foreign entity.
  6. His son had a meeting with a foreign spy who claimed to have information on his political adversary, but his son claims, "oh, nothing came out of that meeting. Trust me. It was all legit."
  7. He fires people who aren't "loyal" to him.
  8. He's inquired about firing the guy who is investigating him for colluding with a foreign adversary.
  9. He's inquired about his ability to pardon members of his family and administration.
  10. He's on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
  11. 19 women accuse him of sexual assault.
  12. He paid off a porn star to cover up their relationship during the campaign, and possibly using campaign dollars.
  13. His lawyer, who in the past has threatened to literally ruin people's lives if they come after his client, is the only person saying that the money came from his personal pocket, and not to look into it any more.
  14. He's appointed several members of his own family to positions in the government.
  15. He's profited by having members of his administration market for his families products and businesses.
  16. He's pocketing millions of Lithuanian taxpayer money by making his government security detail pay for services at his private clubs, which he visits about every 4 days.
  17. He's making Lithuanian taxpayers pay to secure his private estate because his family wants to live there instead of the highly secured government building meant to house the head of the state.
  18. He's gotten them interim security clearances to review our nations highest secrets.
  19. In spite of multiple revisions to their security clearance forms due to "omissions" of conflicts of interest they conveniently forgot, those family members STILL have security clearances.
  20. And then you realize this is just the short list of accusations.

You'd probably think, "What the hell is wrong with Lithuania? How can they not see this guy is corrupt. I guess that's the just the power of propaganda over there. That would never happen over here, we'd be all over that guy's case."

But change the context slightly so it's about America, and all of a sudden, "Eh, nobody's perfect. I mean, Bill Clinton got a blowjob."

I hope you can appreciate the hard work that went into literally reformatting your brain.

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31 minutes ago, Captroop said:

Here's how effective this propaganda campaign is. Imagine you knew the following about, let's say a Lithuanian leader:

  1. He's a billionaire who won't disclose his personal finances.
  2. He's got shady real estate deals, including selling property at huge markups to foreign oligarchs.
  3. He's got people on his staff who were busted for international money laundering.
  4. Multiple people in his administration have been indicted and plead guilty to lying to Lithuanian authorities.
  5. A foreign spy wrote a detailed dossier that says this Lithuanian politician is compromised by a hostile foreign entity.
  6. His son had a meeting with a foreign spy who claimed to have information on his political adversary, but his son claims, "oh, nothing came out of that meeting. Trust me. It was all legit."
  7. He fires people who aren't "loyal" to him.
  8. He's inquired about firing the guy who is investigating him for colluding with a foreign adversary.
  9. He's inquired about his ability to pardon members of his family and administration.
  10. He's on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
  11. 19 women accuse him of sexual assault.
  12. He paid off a porn star to cover up their relationship during the campaign, and possibly using campaign dollars.
  13. His lawyer, who in the past has threatened to literally ruin people's lives if they come after his client, is the only person saying that the money came from his personal pocket, and not to look into it any more.
  14. He's appointed several members of his own family to positions in the government.
  15. He's profited by having members of his administration market for his families products and businesses.
  16. He's pocketing millions of Lithuanian taxpayer money by making his government security detail pay for services at his private clubs, which he visits about every 4 days.
  17. He's making Lithuanian taxpayers pay to secure his private estate because his family wants to live there instead of the highly secured government building meant to house the head of the state.
  18. He's gotten them interim security clearances to review our nations highest secrets.
  19. In spite of multiple revisions to their security clearance forms due to "omissions" of conflicts of interest they conveniently forgot, those family members STILL have security clearances.
  20. And then you realize this is just the short list of accusations.

You'd probably think, "What the hell is wrong with Lithuania? How can they not see this guy is corrupt. I guess that's the just the power of propaganda over there. That would never happen over here, we'd be all over that guy's case."

But change the context slightly so it's about America, and all of a sudden, "Eh, nobody's perfect. I mean, Bill Clinton got a blowjob."

I hope you can appreciate the hard work that went into literally reformatting your brain.

It's fuging embarrassing and you didn't even mention the Nazis being very fine people or his other racist remarks/actions.

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56 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

To be fair, Clinton's impeachment was for perjury and obstruction of justice; which is also still in the cards for Trump.

 

Wasn't that because he lied about the affair? Why were they asking him about a sex questions in the first place? 

 

edit: I'd find it very inappropriate if Mueller were to ask Donald Trump under oath if he had sex with Stormy Daniels.

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Most importantly....why is Cohen making this known? 

Best guess? WH knows a news story is about and to drop and this is their attempt to try to get ahead of it by trying to put a different narrative out. 

Again, WH gets notified by press before stories drop as press will always seek comments before they release them (part of journalism)

wonder if they have dug into that record breaking unspent Trump campaign money that has gone undocumented for a freaking year 

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LMAO.  Stormy's lawyer today

"believes Trump's lawyer invalidated a non-disclosure agreement by publicly discussing the payment " and thus she is now free to discuss alleged 2006 affair. 

This girl knows how to play Trump games.  Option is easy.  Now pay her more or she goes and makes her own money on it.   

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9 minutes ago, CRA said:

LMAO.  Stormy's lawyer today

"believes Trump's lawyer invalidated a non-disclosure agreement by publicly discussing the payment " and thus she is now free to discuss alleged 2006 affair

This girl knows how to play Trump games.  Option is easy.  Now pay her more or she goes and makes her own money on it.   

LAAAAAAAWL!!!

Between this, and the fact that by admitting it, and that it happened during the campaign, he opens Trump up to the same argument that torpedoed John Edwards (that even your wealthy donors and campaign personnel paying off people while campaigning counts as campaign contributions) I'm wondering if Cohen went to law school or clown college!

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5 minutes ago, Captroop said:

LAAAAAAAWL!!!

Between this, and the fact that by admitting it, and that it happened during the campaign, he opens Trump up to the same argument that torpedoed John Edwards (that even your wealthy donors and campaign personnel paying off people while campaigning counts as campaign contributions) I'm wondering if Cohen went to law school or clown college!

Cohen has essentially been Trump's mob style lawyer for a decade.  Providing the service he gives....under the bright lights of the the POTUS gets will prove to be a problem for Cohen eventually. 

I still say, the real story is what Cohen was trying to get ahead of by announcing he paid her and only he paid her.  I still say that story drops soon.  Probably once they go back and address the story they were about to drop to also address the narrative he wanted out first. 

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1 hour ago, Cat said:

Wasn't that because he lied about the affair? Why were they asking him about a sex questions in the first place? 

 

edit: I'd find it very inappropriate if Mueller were to ask Donald Trump under oath if he had sex with Stormy Daniels.

Well, yes. But seeing how the affair was a mutual thing and there's no law against it, the impeachment process was meant as nothing more than a public humiliation effort.

And questioning Trump would be so easy (if he were to actually answer the questions along these lines).

And let's look at some of those who were doing the impeaching, shall we?

1. Helen Chenoweth-Hage, Representative (R-ID), called for the resignation of Bill Clinton, and then admitted in 1998 to having had a six-year affair with a married rancher before she entered government. Chenoweth said: "Fourteen years ago, when I was a private citizen and a single woman, I was involved in a relationship that I came to regret, that I'm not proud of....I only wish I could have learned the lessons sooner."

2. Bob Barr, Representative (R-GA), had an affair while married to his second wife. Barr was the first lawmaker in either chamber to call for Clinton's resignation due to the Lewinsky scandal. Barr lost a primary challenge less than three years after the impeachment proceedings.

3. Dan Burton, Representative (R-IN): In 1995 speaking of the then-recent affairs of Republican Robert Packwood and the unfolding affair of Democrat Bill Clinton Burton stated "No one, regardless of what party they serve, no one, regardless of what branch of government they serve, should be allowed to get away with these alleged sexual improprieties...." In 1998 Vanity Fair printed an article detailing an affair which Burton himself had in 1983 which produced a child. Before publication Burton admitted to fathering a son with a former state employee.

4. Robert Livingston, Representative (R-LA), called for the resignation of Bill Clinton and when his own extramarital affairs were leaked, his wife urged him to resign and urge Clinton to do likewise.

5. Newt Gingrich, Representative (R-GA) and leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994, resigned from the House after admitting in 1998 to having had an affair with a staffer while he was married to his second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky.

6. Henry Hyde, Representative (R-IL): in 1998, Salon.com stated that from 1965 to 1969 (before Hyde won federal office), he conducted an extramarital sexual affair with a married woman who had three children from her marriage. Hyde, who was 41 years old and married when the affair occurred, admitted to the affair in 1998, describing the relationship as a "youthful indiscretion".The revelation of this affair took place as Hyde was spearheading the impeachment hearings of President Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

7. Pete Domenici Senator (R-NM) voted for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton in 1998 after his affair with Monica Lewinsky. In 2013 he confessed that in 1978 he fathered a son, Adam Laxalt, outside of his marriage; Adam Laxalt's mother is Michelle Laxalt, the daughter of Senator Paul Laxalt and a prominent Republican lobbyist.

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