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3 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Sure is.

FBI did full background check on me but they had zero clue about my medical history (which is amazing by the way).  But  it means they cannot check mentally ill people and would clear them to own the gun.  We must change HIPAA law.  It went into effect in 1996.  I do not see a reason why HIPAA should block FBI from having medical info.  I got nothing to hide, I own guns, I’m all pro tighter restrictions and better background check.

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conservatives: criminals will get guns no matter what

also conservatives: stricter background checks should solve this problem 

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I think weapon permits should required to pass health check prior to purchase.  Also increase tax to make them less affordable.

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32 minutes ago, CarolinaCoolin said:

Idk the law in Florida(probably shitty) but in Maryland you have to be 21 or over to buy AR’s/hand guns.

18 you can buy normal hunting rifles/shotguns. 

I'd buy off on an 18 year old purchasing a shotgun or rifle with a parents co-signature and a mandatory safety course.  If Cruz had been limited to a rifle (not semi-auto) or shotgun chances are there'd be at least a few more people alive this evening.

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1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

conservatives: criminals will get guns no matter what

also conservatives: stricter background checks should solve this problem 

What’s your solution?  Ban all guns?  Will never work.  

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...in all of the latest incidents - Newtown, Conn., in 2012; San Bernardino, Calif., in 2015; Orlando, Fla., in 2016; Las Vegas, 2017; Sutherland Springs, Texas, 2017 - the attackers primarily used AR-15 semiautomatic rifles.

There are a couple of theories that might suggest why AR-15s would be associated with deadlier attacks. AR-15 rifles shoot small but high-velocity .223-caliber rounds that often shatter inside victims' bodies, creating more devastating injuries than the wounds typically left by larger but lower-velocity handgun rounds.

Shooters also commonly use the rifles with 30-round magazines, which allow a shooter to fire more rounds uninterrupted, compared to the smaller magazines commonly used in handguns.

Details were still coming in about Wednesday's shooting in Florida, but officials say the suspected gunman, Nikolas Cruz, 19, was armed with at least one AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and "countless magazines," according to Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/latest-mass-shootings-all-have-something-in-common-the-ar-15/ar-BBJ9t3O?li=BBnb7Kz

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The odds of full out, government tyranny happening in one person's lifetime are pretty low.  However, the odds of something like that happening at some point in the future are not only high, but you'd be incredibly naïve and/or historically ignorant to believe that's not inevitable.   

 

Trivializing the 2nd amendment makes you one of four things:

 

1) Naïve

2) Ignorant

3) Egocentric

4) Tyrannical 

 

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10 minutes ago, Black&Blue said:

The odds of full out, government tyranny happening in one person's lifetime are pretty low.  However, the odds of something like that happening at some point in the future are not only high, but you'd be incredibly naïve and/or historically ignorant to believe that's not inevitable.   

 

Trivializing the 2nd amendment makes you one of four things:

 

1) Naïve

2) Ignorant

3) Egocentric

4) Tyrannical 

 

Yawn

Same old BS.  People really don't understand the 2nd amendment.  2nd amendment became obsolete for its intents and purposes after the federal government took over the nation's military after the Civil War.

In other words.  The "protect against a tyrannical federal government" that was debated when the Constitution and Bill of Rights was drafted already happened.  The "tyrant" was arguably our greatest president

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4 minutes ago, teeray said:

 2nd amendment became obsolete for its intents and purposes after the federal government took over the nation's military after the Civil War.

For it's intents and purposes, it's far, far more important for that reason.  Also, I don't imagine the 2nd amendment is considered obsolete to any of the female gun owners who've defended themselves from rape.  

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Let's do what Japan does. They have intense gun pop culture and influential manga/anime's like Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, and Black Lagoon among many others and have nearly zero gun violence.

Why not follow their example?

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Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler. “Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”imedia Commons)

By Matt Jancer
SMITHSONIAN.COM 
FEBRUARY 5, 2018

The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman’s office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.) But these cowboys had no intention of doing so as they strolled around town with Colt revolvers and Winchester rifles in plain sight. Earlier on this fateful day, Virgil had disarmed one cowboy forcefully, while Wyatt confronted another and county sheriff Johnny Behan failed to persuade two more to turn in their firearms.

When the Earps and Holliday met the cowboys on Fremont Street in the early afternoon, Virgil once again called on them to disarm. Nobody knows who fired first. Ike Clanton and Billy Claiborne, who were unarmed, ran at the start of the fight and survived. Billy Clanton and the McLaury brothers, who stood and fought, were killed by the lawmen, all of whom walked away.

This is the only known photo of 19 year-old Billy. Tom McLaury, Frank McLaury and Billy Clanton (left to right) lie dead after the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. This is the only known photo of 19 year-old Billy. (Wikimedia Commons)

“Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” says Adam Winkler, a professor and specialist in American constitutional law at UCLA School of Law. “Today, you’re allowed to carry a gun without a license or permit on Tombstone streets. Back in the 1880s, you weren’t.” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they’d receive a token, like a coat check, which they’d exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. While a few citizens challenged the bans in court, most lost. Winkler, in his book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state’s right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution’s allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”


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2 minutes ago, Black&Blue said:

For it's intents and purposes, it's far, far more important for that reason.  Also, I don't imagine the 2nd amendment is considered obsolete to any of the female gun owners who've defended themselves from rape.  

Guns are not likely to help you protect yourself in those scenarios several reasons. 

It is much more likely that a gun will be used in a murder or accidental death than someone protecting themselves. 

There are also ways to defend against rape than just guns.

 

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5 minutes ago, Black&Blue said:

For it's intents and purposes, it's far, far more important for that reason.  Also, I don't imagine the 2nd amendment is considered obsolete to any of the female gun owners who've defended themselves from rape.  

BTW in this modern world with no real state military and only a federal military what would a tyrannical government look like?

Are people who are historically disenfranchised and being imprisoned by local and federal government at an exorbitant rate allowed to declare a tyrannical government and open fire on police and military?

What does a tyrannical government look like?

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Broward County Mayor Beam Furr said during an interview with CNN that the shooter was getting treatment at a mental health clinic for a while, but that he hadn’t been back to the clinic for more than a year.

“It wasn’t like there wasn’t concern for him,” Furr said.

“We try to keep our eyes out on those kids who aren’t connected … Most teachers try to steer them toward some kind of connections. … In this case, we didn’t find a way to connect with this kid,” Furr said.

Israel said investigators were dissecting the suspect’s social media posts.

“And some of the things that have come to mind are very, very disturbing,” he added without elaborating.

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/school-shooting-suspect-made-disturbing-social-media-posts/

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