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Panthers among league’s worst at running into brick walls

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According to Josh Hermsmeyer (@friscojosh on Twitter), the Panthers run the ball against at least 7 man boxes on early downs more often than all but 3 other teams....

According to this chart, the Panthers have a run success rate of 31% and a drop back success rate of 48%. With that in mind, it makes little sense for the Panthers to devote roughly two thirds of these plays to the run.

https://www.derp/2018/6/14/17463436/carolina-panthers-among-leagues-worst-at-running-into-brick-walls?utm_campaign=catscratchreader&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

Tell us what we didn't already know.

 

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Logic: Stop running all the time when it doesn’t work

Rivera: “We need to go back and establish the run even more”

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I don't know if this really applies irt running into a brick wall, but I know that some coaches like to take the opportunity to throw the ball deep on second and short.  If it fails, you still have 3rd and a makeable amount of yardage.  I don't remember us ever doing it.

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27 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I don't know if this really applies irt running into a brick wall, but I know that some coaches like to take the opportunity to throw the ball deep on second and short.  If it fails, you still have 3rd and a makeable amount of yardage.  I don't remember us ever doing it.

That's because we regularly got very few or negative yards on first and 10. If we were getting 5+ yards every first down, I'd be pleased as punch, but that's hard to do against a loaded box. Our receivers weren't good enough to force the D to spread out and soften up the box.

edit: That changes this season!

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You............dont..............fuggging...........say!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SHULA!!!!!

 

 

 

Thank gawd we canned him

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So Sean Payton at 63% is a genius  and Pat Shurmur is great at 65% but we are morons for 66%?

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1 hour ago, shaqattaq said:

That's because we regularly got very few or negative yards on first and 10. If we were getting 5+ yards every first down, I'd be pleased as punch, but that's hard to do against a loaded box. Our receivers weren't good enough to force the D to spread out and soften up the box.

edit: That changes this season!

I agree, it didn't happen often.  But it did happen.  

I can't remember what game it was, but after one, I went thru the play by play on nfl.com, and looked at our second and short plays.  8 times we had second and three or less, and 8 times, we ran the ball.   If you want to establish the run and then throw deep on occasion, which was our professed style, then at least 25% of the time on second and short, you should throw the ball deep just to loosen things up.

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12 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I agree, it didn't happen often.  But it did happen.  

I can't remember what game it was, but after one, I went thru the play by play on nfl.com, and looked at our second and short plays.  8 times we had second and three or less, and 8 times, we ran the ball.   If you want to establish the run and then throw deep on occasion, which was our professed style, then at least 25% of the time on second and short, you should throw the ball deep just to loosen things up.

At what point int he season was it? Newton's shoulder was still not 100% early.

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24 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

At what point int he season was it? Newton's shoulder was still not 100% early.

It was after the New England game, I remember that much.  When I get some time, I will look again.  

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One of the biggest changes I’d like to see is more play action on 2nd and short. Of course there are no guarantees but I think it makes all the sense in the world to take a shot deep on a 2nd and 1 or 2 and if we don’t pick it up try running it on 3rd.

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1 minute ago, CashNewton22 said:

One of the biggest changes I’d like to see is more play action on 2nd and short. Of course there are no guarantees but I think it makes all the sense in the world to take a shot deep on a 2nd and 1 or 2 and if we don’t pick it up try running it on 3rd.

I'd be happy if we just saw 2nd and short more.

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4 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Logic: Stop running all the time when it doesn’t work

Rivera: “We need to go back and establish the run even more”

Something about Saints typical horrendous defense having a sudden turn around when the running game is top 10..... I wonder what the correlation is?

Saints 2017:  Ingram - 1,124 yds Kamara - 728 yds = 1,852 yds 

(11-5 NFCS champs)

Falcons 2016: Freeman - 1,079 yds Coleman - 520 yds = 1,599 yds 

(11-5 NFCS champs, SB Appearance)

Panthers 2015: J-Stew - 989 yds CAM - 636 yds = 1,625 yds 

(15-1 NFCS champs, SB Appearance)

 
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Cam and the wideouts need to show up this year, make defenses back out of the box. No reason now with CMC, Moore and an improved Funchess (among others) why we can’t have better success running the ball.

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I’m sure I’m being biased as a crazy fan but it seems to me we run a large percentage of plays that really seem to have no chance of being successful.

Not just our run players, pass plays also.  3rd and 8 and we throw a four yard pass and there are 3 defenders around our receiver.

It's normal to complain about personnel but in some of these situations I don’t think it it would matter who we had out there.

Im Hopi g that our players are put in a better situation to succeed.

 

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