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44 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

NFL brass shouldn’t be surprised when ratings go down even more this year... maybe the casual fan will watch some but those of us who love the game will find other things to do

Yeah like Hockey! And 2020 XFL. I'll give the NFL a fair chance this year but I may end up never watching again until those dumb rules change. 

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3 hours ago, Mage said:

Lol are you guys being serious?  

This obviously won’t affect things such as leaps.  It’ll be like when Cam plops to the ground head first rather than when he does his always awkward looking slide feet-first. 

 

Have you seen how they can't agree on what is a catch and what isn't from one game to the next?  You would hope your right but NFL past performance tells me who the fug knows. 

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So let’s say cam rolls out from the ten and runs towards the corner of the EZ, two defenders are there and he dives sort of out of bounds but stretches his hand over the corner pylon for a TD (sort of like he did to the saints a couple years ago). Will this not count now?

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25 minutes ago, Wyank said:

Have you seen how they can't agree on what is a catch and what isn't from one game to the next?  You would hope your right but NFL past performance tells me who the fug knows. 

I’m pretty sure they can tell a difference between a dive where a player clearly gives themselves up vs a leap.   

This rule protects Cam more than anything. Now when he gives himself up head first, there’s no excuse for any defender to lay a hit on him after.  This rule will not stop leaps.

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8 minutes ago, Mage said:

I’m pretty sure they can tell a difference between a dive where a player clearly gives themselves up vs a leap.   

This rule protects Cam more than anything. Now when he gives himself up head first, there’s no excuse for any defender to lay a hit on him after.  This rule will not stop leaps.

First paragraph, we'll see. I have less faith in NFL refs then you do.  I mean I get what your saying and that might be what the NFL is intending.

Second paragraph. You mean like how the refs flagged that Redskins player who hit Cam while he was sliding near the sideline? Wait no, they flagged Cam for dropping the ball on the Redskins player that hit him while giving himself up.  

 

The season after the SB loss.  Refs had different reasons why Cam was not illegal hit.  Running posture in the pocket means head shots are legal.  Knee hit when throwing wasn't illegal because the defender did it with a wrapping movement. 

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28 minutes ago, Mage said:

I’m pretty sure they can tell a difference between a dive where a player clearly gives themselves up vs a leap.   

This rule protects Cam more than anything. Now when he gives himself up head first, there’s no excuse for any defender to lay a hit on him after.  This rule will not stop leaps.

You really should read the article in the OP. A ref is quoted as saying a leap/dive to gain yardage, such as third down or goal line, will be down where the leap/dive starts. 

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9 minutes ago, Bama Panther said:

You really should read the article in the OP. A ref is quoted as saying a leap/dive to gain yardage, such as third down or goal line, will be down where the leap/dive starts. 

Dude, how are you gonna tell someone to read an article and yet continue to misquote it? 

Please show me where in the article the referee says anything about a leap.  A leap and dive are not the same thing. Like I’m confused as to how people don’t see the distinction.

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5 hours ago, Wyank said:

Yeah this seems like it would hurt us, not help. 

 

3rd and goal. Cam scrambles. Cam dives five yards, takes a shot, but still manages to stretch the ball over goal line.  Ref places ball at 5 year line, spot where the ball was when Cam dived head first towards goalline.  4th down. 

Didn’t read the article thought the rule was he’d be down where he landed with the ball...

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13 minutes ago, t96 said:

Didn’t read the article thought the rule was he’d be down where he landed with the ball...

"It’s easy to see how big a change that will be: In the past, if a quarterback ran the ball on third-and-5, he’d usually slide feet first once he picked up the five yards, but he’d dive head-first and try to pick up the last yard if he was met by an opposing defender after gaining four yards. Now, there’s no distinction between feet first and head first.

Officials say that’s a major change.

It’s a big change this year,” line judge Rusty Baynes told ESPN. “Because if you were a runner or a quarterback and you dove head first you could, if you were untouched, get all of that slide. If you went head first. Now, you cannot. It’ll be interesting to see what happens at the goal line.”"

Like everything in the NFL, it's unclear from info given. 

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1 hour ago, Mage said:

Dude, how are you gonna tell someone to read an article and yet continue to misquote it? 

Please show me where in the article the referee says anything about a leap.  A leap and dive are not the same thing. Like I’m confused as to how people don’t see the distinction.

We may be arguing semantics. When I read the scenario they lat out in the article, I see that as a leap and/or dive. It is a situation in which a player isn’t leaving his feet with his head leading the way. That is a dive, even if he “leaps.” Given how the NFL has been with interpreting its own rules, I don’t see where they would differentiate between a head first dive and a head first leap. About the “giving himself up,” the example given is not a “giving himself up” situation; that is a straight attempt to gain more yards, but they are saying the rule would mean the player was down where the dive/leap started. We will see how it plays out, I guess. 

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Oh god. So the NFL is back to having the refs decide intent to enforce this? Is the player giving himself up or not? And this after they took away the determination of intent with the helmet rule. smh You can add, "What is a slide?" to the jargon now.

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4 hours ago, Bama Panther said:

We may be arguing semantics. When I read the scenario they lat out in the article, I see that as a leap and/or dive. It is a situation in which a player isn’t leaving his feet with his head leading the way. That is a dive, even if he “leaps.” Given how the NFL has been with interpreting its own rules, I don’t see where they would differentiate between a head first dive and a head first leap. About the “giving himself up,” the example given is not a “giving himself up” situation; that is a straight attempt to gain more yards, but they are saying the rule would mean the player was down where the dive/leap started. We will see how it plays out, I guess. 

A DIVE ISNT A LEAP.

It’s not about semantics. They are literally just two different things. You can’t leap while not leaving your feet.  That defies what it means to leap.  

I don’t know how to better explain it.  You keep saying dive/leap like they are interchangeable when they aren’t.  They are clearly referring to plays where the QB gives himself up by going down head first, something Cam did a lot early on because he couldn’t/wouldn’t slide feet first.

Nowhere in the article does the referee mention leaping.  

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