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Davidson or Trgo... you must fire one.

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Candidate A: Controller of one of the most prolific offenses in Panthers history, stocked with first round talent, that has stayed pretty healthy. Has scored <17 points only twice this season, and has only been here 2 seasons.

Candidate B: Controller of what has been an increasing embarrassing disaster of a defense that can seem to stop neither the run, nor the pass, while stocked with first round talent and good leadership. The past few weeks have been some of the biggest defensive stinkers in the history of the Carolina panthers. Injuries have hit, unfortunately, where they are the thinnest: DT, but even when healthy in the games before last week, we got gashed. Regardless, each week has seen a defense that has devolved away from the instinctive, attack and swarm the ball type defense that carried us in the beginning of the season, to what we have now. With the exception of the Denver game, the opposition's offense has done whatever they damn well pleased, and the offense has to bail em out. The ferocity is just gone and even worse, often look lost. I rarely see anyone swarming to the ball anymore, and Fox is supposed to preach "finishing games". Well guys, time to finish the season. Unless the injury report is understated, the downturn has to come from somewhere.

It's pretty obvious whom I think should be kicking rocks come season end, but it is not entirely his fault. We need to draft heavy to rebuild the D line, as the majority of what we have there now are not long term solutions.

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Who do you let go?

You don't honestly think anyone's going to answer Davidson, do you?

As big a detractor of Trgovac as I am, kurb has a valid point.

My favorite offseason "never gonna happen" notion is that Herm Edwards gets let go from the Chiefs and his old friend John Fox asks him to come on board and run the Panther defense, or at least be a "consultant' who ends up running the defense eventually. Herm may not be a great head coach, but he's got a record as a solid (and aggressive) defensive coordinator. That, plus his aggressiveness would help balance Fox's cautiousness.

(no, it won't happen, but I can dream)

Way more likely that if Trgovac is replaced, it's Tim Lewis who gets the call.

Even more likely that nothing happens to Trgivac at all.

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Lets get a 3-4 expert to run a 4-3? I don't think that will work out too well

who should we get then and from where

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Turgo calls the defense that FOX wants.

Can't blame the cashier when the manager told them to ring up your gorcery's wrong.

Naw Kurb, if that was the case he wouldn't have took over the defense last year

I think you mean Jeff calls the offense that FOX wants lol

But Ima keep saying it. FOX needs to takeover on defense again. But we really need to stop playing off. Thats the main problem

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Candidate A: Controller of one of the most prolific offenses in Panthers history, stocked with first round talent, that has stayed pretty healthy. Has scored <17 points only twice this season, and has only been here 2 seasons.

Candidate B: Controller of what has been an increasing embarrassing disaster of a defense that can seem to stop neither the run, nor the pass, while stocked with first round talent and good leadership. The past few weeks have been some of the biggest defensive stinkers in the history of the Carolina panthers. Injuries have hit, unfortunately, where they are the thinnest: DT, but even when healthy in the games before last week, we got gashed. Regardless, each week has seen a defense that has devolved away from the instinctive, attack and swarm the ball type defense that carried us in the beginning of the season, to what we have now. With the exception of the Denver game, the opposition's offense has done whatever they damn well pleased, and the offense has to bail em out. The ferocity is just gone and even worse, often look lost. I rarely see anyone swarming to the ball anymore, and Fox is supposed to preach "finishing games". Well guys, time to finish the season. Unless the injury report is understated, the downturn has to come from somewhere.

Remember those threads earlier this year where some people were actually trying to say that we had an elite defense? And of course when anyone tried to talk some sense into these people, they weren't "real" fans. LOL. Where are those punks now?

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Why is it always "we need to draft this player" or "we need to sign someone at X position" when it comes to Turdo? Why cant we have a competent coordinator that uses the best with what he's got?

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It's very frustrating that we now have a championship caliber offense that is peaking at the right time, and can almost score at will when it really wants to... and the defense, for various reasons, can't hold on to a lead.

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You don't honestly think anyone's going to answer Davidson, do you?

As big a detractor of Trgovac as I am, kurb has a valid point.

My favorite offseason "never gonna happen" notion is that Herm Edwards gets let go from the Chiefs and his old friend John Fox asks him to come on board and run the Panther defense, or at least be a "consultant' who ends up running the defense eventually. Herm may not be a great head coach, but he's got a record as a solid (and aggressive) defensive coordinator. That, plus his aggressiveness would help balance Fox's cautiousness.

(no, it won't happen, but I can dream)

Way more likely that if Trgovac is replaced, it's Tim Lewis who gets the call.

Even more likely that nothing happens to Trgivac at all.

Tim Lewis used to be a great DC. He had a terrible time with the New York Giants, but I don't think he's forgotten how to do his job. I'd much rather have Lewis than Trgo. It wouldn't be a dream exchange, but it would probably be an improvement. Somebody just needs to remind him that soft zone doesn't work ever.

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who should we get then and from where

Get some DT talent in the draft or FA and leave the coaching staff alone

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Get some DT talent in the draft or FA and leave the coaching staff alone

We've already changed around the players. When is it ever gonna be the coache's fault?

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But everyone and their little sister knows and have known that the DTs are the thinnest and weakest link on that defense. Lewis shouldn't be starting, he's a great sub a la Burton was in the day. Kemo does his thing well but they need depth. Badly. And it showed.

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Its always 80% players 20% coaching. The coaches are just convenient targets

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