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#16 beastson

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:19 PM

Fox - defensive coach, and its obvious

Offense, smh he should let Jeff handle that much more

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:29 PM

Not sure what the logic is in firing Ron Meeks. He can't help it if the Defense is banged up all to hell. We were doing fine there for a while.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:35 PM

Davidson/Fox should be fired b/c they no Jake can't throw....and the run game is there....and they go to Jake. Coaching 101 - tells them to stay away from Jake and they put games on his shoulders early.

Meeks has done alright. Lot of big injuries have effected things......it is a Fox defense. We knew coming in we needed help of Pep on the DL and it wasn't coming this year.


Yep I agree.

Let's just get a new damn QB and get the front four stopping the run and pass rushing like they have some fire and heart.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:37 PM

these 2 are nothing but clowns who could not call a great game if their sad lives depended on it.

1.Jeff Davidson being the idiot he is does not uses Williams enough.He wants jake to throw the ball near 40 times a game.It makes me sick.Run the Ball you stupid moron thats what we build to do.

2.Ron Meeks's Defense is soft as a baby's bottom.Any good qb could pick that defense apart.


May I be the first to say congratulations on winning your first "Huddle Rain Man" award. You must be proud. :party:

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:40 PM

Jake's passing attempts per game this year - 28.7 (21st in the league)
Jake's passing attempts per game last year - 25.8 (21st in the league)

Not exactly 40 attempts per game, is it?

Panthers' rushing attempts per game this year - 32.0 (4th in the league)
Panthers' rushing attempts per game last year - 31.5 (6th in the league)


Break these numbers down this way

what are Jakes average passing attempts in the games we lost?

ANSWER: 37 pass attempts per game average

what are our average rushing attempts in our losses as well?

ANSWER: 25

I would be more interested in that stat than the season overall

So I will say that in the 6 losses, the passing game is our problem. This offense plays to hold a lead not come from behind and win. Any adversity on the field and the offense panics. I think the offense mirrors the QB. You see how frantic jake gets on the field. We all loved it at the beginning and called it heart, now its more him losing control of the team and his cool

Edited by Gscottnc5, 25 November 2009 - 01:55 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:51 PM

I rather fire Fox than Meeks & Davidson. It's not Meeks's fault some of our defense are struggling with many of them getting hurt. His defense are clicking & starting to get better. I hope next year they will even better under his power if he stay & get more creative freedom.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 01:58 PM

Break these numbers down this way

what are Jakes average passing attempts in the games we lost?

ANSWER: 37 pass attempts per game average

what are our average rushing attempts in our losses as well?

ANSWER: 25

I would be more interested in that stat than the season overall


Of course a team that is behind is going to throw the ball in the 4th quarter. So those stats mean nothing. Should they have run the ball earlier on in some of those games? Of course. But that stat you posted would be the same for almost any team.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 02:16 PM

Of course a team that is behind is going to throw the ball in the 4th quarter. So those stats mean nothing. Should they have run the ball earlier on in some of those games? Of course. But that stat you posted would be the same for almost any team.


No b/c you can breakdown a game like Miami and Carolina simply set the tone for the pass early. They weren't throwing b/c they were behind....they got behind b/c they were throwing. Same can be said for games like Philly, AZ playoff game etc.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 02:30 PM

Of course a team that is behind is going to throw the ball in the 4th quarter. So those stats mean nothing. Should they have run the ball earlier on in some of those games? Of course. But that stat you posted would be the same for almost any team.


Out of our 6 losses, only 1 game comes to mind that we needed to pass to try to come back and win and that game is the Philly game. We wouldn't have had to pass so FN much if it weren't for 4 int's by JAKE.

ATL, Dallas, Was, Buff, and NO games, never were we down so bad we had to resort solely on the passing game. Abandoning the run so early in some of those games forced us to pass late in the games.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 02:31 PM

No b/c you can breakdown a game like Miami and Carolina simply set the tone for the pass early. They weren't throwing b/c they were behind....they got behind b/c they were throwing. Same can be said for games like Philly, AZ playoff game etc.



THIS my friend is CORRECT. You could almost say it about every damn loss this year

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 02:49 PM

I really really want my neg rep back.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 03:18 PM

How many times should we have run the ball with less than a minute vs the Dolphins.... or that last drive in the first Atl game? See we can nit-pick all the way around if yo want to.


My beef in the Miami game is Delhomme was miserable in the first half when he did throw. He was sacked 3 times on 3rd down and threw 7 for 17 in the first half for 64 yards and 20 of those came on a blown coverage against Rosario. We didn't convert a single 3rd down through the air that half. We had 74 rushing yards on 15 carries. Your running game should never average more yards per attempt in a half unless you rip a big run, which we didn't.

In the Atlanta game we were only down 8 with 5:35 left. We called 1 run play that drive and 8 pass plays. 4 straight incomplete passes from the Atlanta 17 to end the drive.

Or how about the Dallas game where we were within a score right until late in the 4th quarter. We only ran the ball 14 times that game.

The Buffalo game we ran all of 7 times in the 2nd half even though we didn't get down 2 scores until the 4th quarter and that was early in the 4th with time left for multiple drives.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 03:18 PM

I really really want my neg rep back.


Why has rep been off for so long?

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 04:08 PM

I rather fire Fox than Meeks & Davidson. It's not Meeks's fault some of our defense are struggling with many of them getting hurt. His defense are clicking & starting to get better. I hope next year they will even better under his power if he stay & get more creative freedom.


:iagree:

IF Fox stays (and the odds of this happening are about even with him getting fired IMO), then I would like to see the Panthers make an attempt to bring in Charlie Weis (who is probably out at Notre Dame) as our offensive coordinator. Being long-time friends, he's probably the only OC that Fox will completely trust to take full charge of the offense. Any other OC that comes in will be handcuffed by Fox's ultra conservative philosophy (as was Dan Henning) and we're going nowhere fast with his thumb print on the offense. I would love to see what we can really do if we open things up a little, particularly in the passing game.

Of course this would require a bonafide QB since Jake's better days appear to be past. This is where a FA QB like Jason Campbell could help us. Now, before the "Jason Campbell Sucks" crowd starts typing a response, here are a few things to keep in mind: 1) Campbell is a former 1st round pick that was taken by the legendary Joe Gibbs; 2) for a stretch last season, Jason Campbell was the most accurate QB in the League; I think he went almost 1/2 a season w/o an INT, something that Jake Delhomme could never claim; and 3) I can't think of any QB that would thrive with the type of "supporting cast" JC has in DC, including a makeshift OL and subpar WRs. Without Clinton Portis and Chris Coolidge, the Redskins offense has been anemic. Since Fox won't likely start a rookie QB, bring in a FA like Campbell and selecting a potential starter in the later rounds of the draft may be our best option IMO.

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Posted 25 November 2009 - 05:38 PM

How many times should we have run the ball with less than a minute vs the Dolphins.... or that last drive in the first Atl game? See we can nit-pick all the way around if yo want to.


we wouldn't have to worry about the last minute of the game in that situation if we just do what we are good at in the first, second and third qtr which is control the clock and run the ball down their throat.

There is nothing more demoralizing to a defense when the defense knows you're going to run it and they can't stop it.

Our run sets up the pass, so for us to abandon the run only down 2 scores in the first half is ridiculous.

Plus, I've noticed there is an art form to play action pass and Jake is NO Picasso!!!