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Ahmadinejad's Christmas Message: Jesus Would Oppose Warmongers, Occupiers, Terrorists

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Their weapons have been injuring and killing our soldiers for the last few years. For God's sake, think about these things before you defend them.

I already said that they weren't angels. If Iran was occupying (ok, "liberating") Mexico, we would be doing a lot more then they are, I can assure you of that.

From their point of view, it was the US that supported a corrupt non representative regime in the form of the Shah; they successfully managed to overthrow him even with our backing, and since then they have maintained their independence, playing us vs. China and Russia the best they have been able to in order to strengthen their country in a very dangerous part of the world, and throwing Palestinians a faith based bone now and then. The average Iranian knows that their government is just as messed up as the one we supported, but in different ways...but it is their government and they are going to sink or swim on their own.

We didn't win the Cold War by bombing our enemies into submission, we simply held our ground and wore the Soviets down with strategic alliances and back door politics. Only Nixon could go to China, and Reagan cracked jokes about how the bombing starts in 5 minutes while negotiating arms limits behind the scenes. Bombing the world into "freedom" just does not work.

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I already said that they weren't angels. If Iran was occupying (ok, "liberating") Mexico, we would be doing a lot more then they are, I can assure you of that.

From their point of view, it was the US that supported a corrupt non representative regime in the form of the Shah; they successfully managed to overthrow him even with our backing, and since then they have maintained their independence, playing us vs. China and Russia the best they have been able to in order to strengthen their country in a very dangerous part of the world, and throwing Palestinians a faith based bone now and then. The average Iranian knows that their government is just as messed up as the one we supported, but in different ways...but it is their government and they are going to sink or swim on their own.

We didn't win the Cold War by bombing our enemies into submission, we simply held our ground and wore the Soviets down with strategic alliances and back door politics. Only Nixon could go to China, and Reagan cracked jokes about how the bombing starts in 5 minutes while negotiating arms limits behind the scenes. Bombing the world into "freedom" just does not work.

It's not your flying, Maverick. It's your attitude. You might not like your fellow Americans and they might not like you...but who's side are you on?

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I just told it from their point of view. This is not dodgeball, it's the real world. If you can't even try to see things as they are instead of just how you perceive them, you will never be able to solve real problems.

During the Cold War we had built up the Soviet Navy to mythic proportions that needed a massive military buildup to counter. Tom Clancy got rich. Afterwards, it was discovered that they could barely make it out of port their ships were so poorly built, and their weapons were no match for what the US and it's allies had. Looking at the Soviet system in hindsight, these problems were obvious to anyone who took the time to look behind the scenes but we let ourselves be talked into spending massive amounts of money on a 400 ship Navy that in the end was unneeded.

At least you got in your shot of "you must hate your country", which is the typical response to any reasonable dissenting opinion to the status quo. Sorry pal, I like being an American, am thankful for being able to live here - and glad that I am in a place that lets me actually think on my own instead of force feeding me patriotic "we are always right" crap. We should be using our freedom to try and make the world better for everyone, and part of that is realizing that not everyone wants the same things we do in life. Live and let live - unless you are forced to act otherwise in self defense. Then, apply overwhelming force as quickly as possible to minimize the damage.

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Does the song go God Bless Iran?!!!!! No!!! I didn't think so!

God only loves us!

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Does the song go God Bless Iran?!!!!! No!!! I didn't think so!

God only loves us!

Who sings about Iran?

A Flock of Seagulls.

And what do seagulls do?

They poo on us.

You can argue with me. You can't argue with solid logic.

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I just told it from their point of view. This is not dodgeball, it's the real world. If you can't even try to see things as they are instead of just how you perceive them, you will never be able to solve real problems.

During the Cold War we had built up the Soviet Navy to mythic proportions that needed a massive military buildup to counter. Tom Clancy got rich. Afterwards, it was discovered that they could barely make it out of port their ships were so poorly built, and their weapons were no match for what the US and it's allies had. Looking at the Soviet system in hindsight, these problems were obvious to anyone who took the time to look behind the scenes but we let ourselves be talked into spending massive amounts of money on a 400 ship Navy that in the end was unneeded.

At least you got in your shot of "you must hate your country", which is the typical response to any reasonable dissenting opinion to the status quo. Sorry pal, I like being an American, am thankful for being able to live here - and glad that I am in a place that lets me actually think on my own instead of force feeding me patriotic "we are always right" crap. We should be using our freedom to try and make the world better for everyone, and part of that is realizing that not everyone wants the same things we do in life. Live and let live - unless you are forced to act otherwise in self defense. Then, apply overwhelming force as quickly as possible to minimize the damage.

That's all well and good. But in your honorable quest to see things from the other side, don't forget those who fight for this country. And in turn, don't forget those who are trying to harm them. The first group has earned that respect. The second has earned that disdain.

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Our soldiers wouldnt even be threated by Iranian arms if they werent put in this redicoulous position in Iraq. What makes Iran supplying insurgents with arms any different than the US supporting the mujahadeen in Afghanistan when they were fighting the Russians?

Just like cookingwithgas said " if Iran invaded mexico to liberate it" youd bet your ass that we would supply the cartels with more than ample ammunition and explosives.

You have to view things from other perspectives, imagine yourself with the enemy at the gates you do what you can to get rid of them...its war....we would do the exact same thing.

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They say the exact same things about themselves. And all of us have valid reasons to do so. To me "supporting the troops" means making sure they are cared for and are never sent to die for stupid reasons...like the Bush vs. Saddam Hussein Steel Cage Match.

If Iran directly attacked the US, I would not hesitate in my support for action against them. I feel the same way about the Taliban. The simple facts are that they have not done so, are not well equipped to do so, and would earn the emnity of the region for doing so. Iran does not scare me at all, and I do feel that they are only interested in protecting themselves, while funding other people to carry out their rather slight foreign military interests, which consist primarily of keeping people happy at home by denouncing Israel and providing some token support to the anti-Israeli forces. In Iraq, they have a lot of self interest going on, and I am sure the idea of a Iran friendly province on their border is something they would really feel was important, given the history between the two nations.

But we support the Israelis, they support the Anti-Israeli factions, is either of us more guilty than the other for fostering the problems there? Both sides are capable of terrible actions, although the Arab forces involved are more desperate and less well equipped, so to us it seems that they are crazy, while the Israelis roll in with their US funded firepower and look the part of a professionial army. When we complain about Iran "funding terrorists" while we are providing massive military aid to the other side, isn't there some kind of malfunction there?

Once we stop taking sides in that pointless conflict, we may have a case to put ourselves above Iran (besides the obvious fact that we control the big nation on their border). I'll leave the "America uber Alles" talk for others, thank you. That's not unpatriotic, that's just reason and common sense.

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