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Philly's pick from us for Otah is at #28


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#13 Bob Loblaw

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:33 AM

Hey all,

Long time lurker/first time poster, so here goes:

I though it would be interesting to look at exactly what the Panthers gave up for Otah in terms of the draft pick value chart used by many GMs.

The Panthers gave up the 28th pick of 2009 (at best), along with the 43rd and 109th picks of 2008. By using the chart and adding the values of each of these picks, the Panthers gave up 1206 points of draft-pick value.

The Eagles on the other hand, gave up the 19th overall pick of the 2008 draft which equates to 875 points of draft-pick value.

Taking the difference between these two values, it the Panthers gave up 331 points of draft value, which is about equal to the value of the 57th overall pick, or a low second round pick in order to move up 9 spots.

Using solely the draft pick value chart again, the move by the Panthers from the 28th pick (660 value) to the 19th pick (875 value) would require Carolina giving up 215 extra points, or the 75th overall pick in a perfectly fair trade. Subtracting the 215 points necessary from the 331 points the Panthers actually gave up, the total value lost is closer to 116 points! which is equal to the last pick of the 3rd round (96th pick).

So in terms of draft pick value alone, the Panthers come out on the short end of the stick, but this of course does not take into account the value Otah has added to the team. Personally I believe Otah has contributed more than enough to say that this trade was a positive. With 12 games started and a top 3 rushing attack, I don't think the results could have been much better with any other player. Otah in my mind certainly makes up for any value lossed according to the draft pick value chart (the 96th overall pick).

Long story short - The trade for Otah has really paid off!. Although, anyone who has watched him play can say that with confidence...

#14 Falcons1stPanthers2nd

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 03:09 AM

Otah is quickly establishing himself as one of the better run blockers in the league. Small price to pay.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 07:53 AM

low as 26 couple teams will be eleminated.


As low as 26 is correct. If two teams with a worse regular season record make the Super Bowl then the pick could go down to 26. Other than that, playoff success will only change the order between teams with the same record.

If 9-7 Arizona loses in the NFC CG and the 12-4 Panthers lose in the Divisional, then AZ will still pick ahead of the Panthers. AZ would pick at 21 (best of 9-7 records). Carolina would pick 28 (worst of 12-4 teams). Assuming that say Ten and NYG make the SB.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 08:14 AM

now that Detroit got rid of Matt Millen it looks like they wont be drafting two WRs in the first round! poor bastards.

#17 carolinarolls

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 08:39 AM

This was the gamble (not "mortgage") that Fox made.

It was a good one then and now.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 08:58 AM

I guess John Fox new we were going deep into the playoffs this year so next year we would have a low draft pick anyway so why not trade for Otah.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 09:13 AM

At first I didn't like the pick, but I also wasn't so sure about the Stewart in the first either.

Edited by thefuzz, 30 December 2008 - 09:29 AM.


#20 carolinarolls

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 09:53 AM

I guess John Fox new we were going deep into the playoffs this year so next year we would have a low draft pick anyway so why not trade for Otah.



"knew"...no

gambled...yes

#21 scpanther22

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:05 AM

i think it was worth it even if this draft if filled with good tackles

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:35 AM

Subject to the playoffs. Could be as low as 21 and as high as 32. Either way, we don't get a pick next year until late in the second round (unless we trade up, naturally.) I believe we will be fairly active in free agency next year.


I agree, I think we will be picking up good role players, much like this past year. Just trying to find guys that are serviceable or even could surprise ala Chris Harris (I know not FA) or Brayton.