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#25 Peppers90 NC

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:26 PM

I guess you dont include that extra blocker as a reason for success. Both want to run right up the middle and gain big yards which requires an extra blocker, whether it be Hoover leading or an extra TE to help with stretch plays. So who would be the lead blocker in this scenario? How would this fool anyone? Its these ignorant suggestions that really grind my gears.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:36 PM

Because that doesn't work in modern day NFL.


IMO I think it work work....not as a play we would see every drive, but it should definatly be in there somehow.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:45 PM

No, I heard every word of your post. I heard every word of everybody's post

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:46 PM

Well the wildcat is a version of single wing football which has always had a presence in football but just had a recent resurgence in the NFL and even on the Panthers play book. The thing is that single wing formations usually use a RB/FB combo not a RB/RB combo which exaggerated the wave of a 1 back offense in modern day NFL. The combination of Ricky and R Brown was largely used for gadget plays, FB/RB is what they usually line up in. Further info is here:

http://vault.sportsi...161/1/index.htm


Not sure I get what you are saying...your original point was that the split back wont work in the NFL. I know what the wildcat is.

I was asking you why you think the split won't work. IIRC some team are still using it...mostly west coast Os.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 02:50 PM

I guess you dont include that extra blocker as a reason for success. Both want to run right up the middle and gain big yards which requires an extra blocker, whether it be Hoover leading or an extra TE to help with stretch plays. So who would be the lead blocker in this scenario? How would this fool anyone? Its these ignorant suggestions that really grind my gears.


Yeah...I wouldn't necessarily see it as a running play unless Stew could lay out a linebacker w/ a block (which I think he could do)...but it would work for a fake/screen as I have suggested.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 03:02 PM

Because that doesn't work in modern day NFL.


It does on Madden! :party:

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 03:29 PM

Not sure I get what you are saying...your original point was that the split back wont work in the NFL. I know what the wildcat is.

I was asking you why you think the split won't work. IIRC some team are still using it...mostly west coast Os.


My point was not that split backs won't work in the NFL. My point was that RB/RB are rarely used in modern NFL. Split backs are used in west coast offenses(although not nearly as common now) with a RB/FB combo not a RB/RB combo. Lets not get confused here. NFL offenses are still in a 1 back system now, they just use 2 backs to get the job done and rotate them. The 1 back system is due to many reasons. I think the main reason is the offense simply taking advantage of matchups. The single back formation brings tight ends and WRs to the line and creates matchup problems with LBs in passing situations. The matchups with TEs and WRs on LBs forces safeties to come forward to stop the run and allows a weakness in deep passes. Hence, the popularity of the single back formations. Also, zone blocking schemes and advanced defenses have contributed to this shift. Basically you just got a lesson in the fundamentals of the Panthers offense, the #1 scoring team in the league the last 9 games. I will take that any day. :D

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 03:39 PM

I've seen it a couple of times this year. I can't remember exactly who (I'm thinking I saw the Saints do it a time or two, but I'm not 100% sure), but I do remember noticing when teams have lined up their top two RB's in the backfield instead of the FB. It might could work as a gimmick, and would definitely give us a lot of options. However, it also would take a dominant lead blocker out of the game, so it's not something you want to do very often.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 03:49 PM

I've seen it a couple of times this year. I can't remember exactly who (I'm thinking I saw the Saints do it a time or two, but I'm not 100% sure), but I do remember noticing when teams have lined up their top two RB's in the backfield instead of the FB. It might could work as a gimmick, and would definitely give us a lot of options. However, it also would take a dominant lead blocker out of the game, so it's not something you want to do very often.


Yes Bush was lined as a WR many times with Deuce as a RB. But does that really count? And we alll know where that got them.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 04:09 PM

Why take the FB out of the equation. The Wishbone, Flexbone, Wing T and the Maryland I all use a three back set with variations of TE and WR combinations. Not to mention the original T Formation. Although most of these formations are now considered unaffective due to defensive developments, throughing one of these formations into the mix every now and would probably really confuse a defense that haven't seen any of these formations since high school.

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 04:10 PM

One thing that hurts this suggestion is that our backs have had trouble catching the ball this year....

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 04:14 PM

That's ballsy...no pun intended. I don't think ours have dropped yet.