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#61 Matt Foley

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:06 PM

ACORN is still corrupt, and not deserving of tax dollars.

And any time you challenge Delhommey, his anal sex partner is soon to follow in said thread.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:07 PM

in what way is ACORN corrupt?

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:09 PM

Like Watergate corrupt or just Iran Contra corrupt?

Oh, conservative corrpution is OK as long as it exposes liberal corruption.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:13 PM

Because he's wrong. We will close that place and good riddance.


Cheney dodged the draft with efficiency and competence, i think he knows a bit more about being tortured than someone like John Mccain who wants to close Gitmo.

#65 Matt Foley

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:14 PM

in what way is ACORN corrupt?


http://www.nypost.co...EYzAoIy5e0xJsHO

The New York Times reports that Dale Rathke - whose brother started the group back in 1970 as a vehicle to help low-income people "take back what's rightfully theirs" - embezzled nearly $1 million from ACORN back in 1999 and 2000.

How did ACORN handle the crime? By disguising it on the books as a loan from one of its contractors and letting Rathke's family make restitution at the rate of $30,000 a year. (An anonymous donor reportedly has agreed to pick up the remaining $800,000 tab.)

Incredibly, ACORN kept Rathke on the payroll as a $38,000-a-year employee until as recently as last month - and only let him go when word of his fraud leaked to donors.

And, the Times reports, most of the people who covered up the embezzlement are still working for ACORN.


Cue the "oh gee, a million dollar cover-up is a drop in the bucket compared to other scandals" response.

That was just the first link I found. I'm sure I could find many more.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:15 PM

Somebody's butthurt.

Funny how the poster's most likely to throw out the blanket insults about people being wussies gets all out of shape when he gets called out.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:15 PM

To anyone playing at home, if you go on for months about a subject, crow-barring jokes and making non-sequitur comparisons to everything under the sun about it, and one day it turns out that all your material was based on said event that, in actuality, was completely unfounded and doctored to be something it wasn't, the best course of action at that point is to challenge someone to an internet fight for a benign comment someone makes about perhaps admitting you were wrong. You know, like an adult might do.

And keep in mind, it's always best to do this right on the heels of an event in which an infamously notorious poster with many of the same qualities goes out in a blaze of glory while killing some livestock.


That is an excellent response.

Very well thought out.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:21 PM

Meat, no one here thinks that ACORN is made up of doe eyed orphans and Saint Teresa clones. They have been caught - legitimately - doing things they should not have. So has every other big organization. Should the entire United Way be shut down because the Charlotte chick was an asshole? Do her actions mean that the whole organization is nothing but corrupt people on the take?

Face the facts Meat. ACORN is a great target because it's run by inner city black people who want more funding for the poor and more access to the nations resources by the poor.

United Way is not a great target because it's run by a lot of different types of people who want more funding for the poor and otherwise needed and more access to the nations resources by the poor and needy.

#69 Matt Foley

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:25 PM

Somebody's butthurt.

Funny how the poster's most likely to throw out the blanket insults about people being wussies gets all out of shape when he gets called out.


Call me out face to face. Just once. I'm begging you.

#70 Matt Foley

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:28 PM

Meat, no one here thinks that ACORN is made up of doe eyed orphans and Saint Teresa clones. They have been caught - legitimately - doing things they should not have. So has every other big organization. Should the entire United Way be shut down because the Charlotte chick was an asshole? Do her actions mean that the whole organization is nothing but corrupt people on the take?

Face the facts Meat. ACORN is a great target because it's run by inner city black people who want more funding for the poor and more access to the nations resources by the poor.

United Way is not a great target because it's run by a lot of different types of people who want more funding for the poor and otherwise needed and more access to the nations resources by the poor and needy.


ACORN is a legitimate target because they represent the rampant corruption of big government. Their main objective, whether they admit to it or not, is to get Democrats elected and re-elected. Now why should all of us pay for that?

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:39 PM

ACORN is a legitimate target because they represent the rampant corruption of big government. Their main objective, whether they admit to it or not, is to get Democrats elected and re-elected. Now why should all of us pay for that?


So then nothing that my friend said had any truth to it?

#72 Matt Foley

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:47 PM

So then nothing that my friend said had any truth to it?


Rodeo? Like I said, if you want to prosecute the video couple, by all means. I don't care. That doesn't mean I should have to apologize for disliking ACORN. They're corrupt and need to be removed from the government teat. Being mostly black inner city people doesn't give them the right to do what they do on the taxpayers' dime.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 03:58 PM

Meat if the Republicans cared about the inner city poor I am sure they would be wanting people to vote for them instead. Holding voter drives in order to get more poor peoples voices heard hurts Republicans I know, but last I heard poor people voting was totally legal.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 04:01 PM

Meat if the Republicans cared about the inner city poor I am sure they would be wanting people to vote for them instead. Holding voter drives in order to get more poor peoples voices heard hurts Republicans I know, but last I heard poor people voting was totally legal.


If they want to do that, fine. Where we part ways on this issue is that you think we all should pay for it.

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 04:18 PM

http://www.acorn.org...57&tx_irfaq_pi1[showUid]=161&tx_irfaq_pi1[back]=P2lkPTE3ODU3&cHash=3b5f677fec

ACORN And Federal Funding

Does ACORN Recieve Federal Funding?


The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants.

ACORN has had contracts with other nonprofit organizations to perform work on projects which received federal grant support. For example, ACORN has received contracts to:


Identify families eligible to receive food stamps and assist them to apply.
Identify homeowners facing foreclosure and deliver them for housing counseling and loss mitigation services.
Provide lead paint remediation services to households with children living in older neighborhoods.
The contracts that ACORN receives on these projects are for delivering specific activities, all of which are tax-exempt qualified in accordance with federal grant guidelines. No payments are received until work product has been delivered.

None of ACORN's contracts to perform work on projects receiving federal grant money has provided funding for voter registration.


http://www.encyclope...-208175369.html

http://www.salon.com...09/09/18/acorn/

For many years the combined forces of the far right and the Republican Party have sought to ruin ACORN, the largest organization of poor and working families in America. Owing to the idiocy of a few ACORN employees, notoriously caught in a videotape "sting" sponsored by a conservative Web site and publicized by Fox News, that campaign has scored significant victories on Capitol Hill and in the media.

Both the Senate and the House have voted over the past few days to curtail any federal funding of ACORN's activities. While that congressional action probably won't destroy the group, whose funding does not mainly depend on government largesse, the ban inflicts severe damage on its reputation.

In the atmosphere of frenzy created by the BigGovernment videos -- which feature a young man and an even younger woman who pretend to be a prostitute and a pimp seeking "advice" from ACORN about starting a teenage brothel -- it is hardly shocking that both Democrats and Republicans would put as much distance as possible between themselves and the sleazy outfit depicted on-screen.

Like so many conservative attacks, the crusade against ACORN has been highly exaggerated and even falsified to create a demonic image that bears little resemblance to the real organization. Working in the nation's poorest places, and hiring the people who live there, ACORN is not immune to the pathologies that can afflict institutions in those communities. As a large nonprofit handling many millions of dollars, it has suffered from mismanagement at the top as well -- although there is nothing unique in that, either.

Yet ACORN's troubles should be considered in the context of a history of honorable service to the dispossessed and impoverished. No doubt it was fun to dupe a few morons into providing tax advice to a "pimp and ho," but what ACORN actually does, every day, is help struggling families with the Earned Income Tax Credit (whose benefits were expanded by both Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton). And while the idea of getting housing assistance for a brothel was clever, what ACORN really does, every day, is help those same working families avoid foreclosure and stay in their homes.

Perhaps the congressional investigation now demanded by some Republican politicians would be a useful exercise, if conducted impartially. A fair investigation might begin to dispel some of the wild mythology promoted by right-wing media outlets.

Among the most popular canards on the right, repeated constantly by conservative pundits and politicians, is that ACORN has been found guilty of engaging in deliberate voter fraud, using federal funds. In reality, ACORN has registered close to 2 million low-income citizens across the country over the past five years -- a laudable record with a very low incidence of fraud of any kind.

Over the past several years, a handful of ACORN employees have admitted falsifying names and signatures on registration cards, in order to boost the pay they received. When ACORN officials discovered those cases, they informed the state authorities and turned in the miscreants. (That was why the Bush Justice Department's blatant attempt to smear ACORN with rushed, election-timed indictments became a national scandal for Republicans rather than Democrats.) The proportion of fraud is infinitesimal. For example, a half-dozen ACORN workers were charged with registration fraud or other election-related crimes in the 2004 election. They had completed fewer than two dozen false registrations -- out of more than a million new voters registered by ACORN during that cycle. The mythology that suggests that thousands or even millions of illegal registrants voted is itself a fraud.

If only the Republicans who have worked up a frenzy over ACORN's alleged crimes were so indignant about real and damaging voter fraud -- such as the amazing case of Young Political Majors, the firm that ran GOP registration efforts in California, Massachusetts, Florida, Arizona and elsewhere before the authorities in Orange County, Calif., busted its president, Mark Anthony Jacoby, and sent him to jail last year. He had built a lucrative partisan career by teaching his minions to deceive thousands of voters into registering as Republicans rather than Democrats, among other scams. Of course, the only on-air mention of the Young Political Majors scandal on Fox News was made by blogger Brad Friedman -- and the national media, mainstream and conservative, generally ignored it. They were too busy generating "controversy" over ACORN.

So now the overhyped voting registration tales are metastasizing into wild accusations about ACORN's finances and programs, including claims that the group will receive billions in federal bailout funding and that it is a hotbed of corruption, perhaps even murder. In fact, ACORN affiliates -- those not involved with voter registration -- have received a few million dollars annually in federal funding. The group is not scheduled to receive any bailout money (although working people would probably benefit more from subsidizing ACORN than greasing AIG and Goldman Sachs).

The fans of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck regard ACORN as a criminal enterprise that fosters tax fraud, prostitution, child prostitution and even murder (thanks to a satirical "confession" by an employee filmed surreptitiously in the San Bernardino ACORN office). But ACORN chief organizer and CEO Bertha Lewis swiftly dismissed the employees caught on those videotapes and set about reforming the flawed processes that enabled those individuals to speak for the organization. No overt acts were committed by any of the people caught on those tapes -- and so far nobody has found that any of those theoretical "crimes" ever took place.

To claim that the stupid behavior of a half-dozen employees should discredit a national group with offices in more than 75 cities staffed by many thousands of employees and volunteers is like saying that Mark Sanford or John Ensign have discredited every Republican governor or senator. Indeed, the indignation of the congressional Republicans screaming about ACORN and the phony streetwalker is diluted by the presence of at least two confirmed prostitution clients -- Rep. Ken Calvert and Sen. David Vitter -- in their midst. Neither of those right-wing johns has been even mildly chastised by their moralistic peers. Nobody is cutting off their federal funding.

ACORN has pledged to institute reforms, with the appointment of a distinguished outside panel to oversee that process. Let us hope they succeed. Even now they seem far more likely to improve their performance -- and to be more sincere in their intentions -- than the Washington hypocrites who are trying to destroy them.




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