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Draft Needs

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Must get a WR.

Gilyard

(Resign Brayton) Pass Rushing DE

LB depth

QB depth

OL depth

*Draft NO DT*

FA DT only.

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FFS, just because we signed guys doesn't mean they're good enough as starters. Sometimes, all you need to do is look at the stats. We were 23rd in the league in sacks last year, that's already below average. We are now losing our best player on the D-line by any standards. No matter who we replace him with, I'm sure that the new guy won't demand double teams like pep did. If you think that D-line isn't a major need coming into this draft, you're arguing that the likes of Hayden, Johnson and Brown will all step up BIG TIME and be above average starters in the nfl. That is a slippery slope of speculation.

I am not saying the dline as a whole isn't a major need.. just not DT. DE is a major need and that is where most of the sacks come from..

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I still dont see how anyone can say DT is not a need

93 Tyler, Tank DT

61 Landri, Derek DT

94 Leonard, Louis DT

Johnson, Ed DT

60 Irvin, Corvey DT

98 Hayden, Nick DT

This is our DT.yeah.I think we need to add a guy.who can give us some pass rush.

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How many starts are on that list? If don't include Hayden, because I don't think he deserves to be even on our roster, it looks even worse. Not much experience anywhere on our dline. Thats all that worries me.

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How many starts are on that list? If don't include Hayden, because I don't think he deserves to be even on our roster, it looks even worse. Not much experience anywhere on our dline. Thats all that worries me.

With the departures of defensive tackles Hollis Thomas, and Damione Lewis, the Panthers have six defensive tackles with a total combined four starts…That’s the scary part.

http://catcrave.com/2010/03/06/putting-a-positive-spin-on-a-long-day-in-carolina/

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Thats probably all Hayden (he played at the end of 08 as well). I could have swore both Tank and Leonard started a full season before. Its actually worse then I thought. We have Meeks though and I still see us signing a couple of vets for 1 year deals.

They did Tyler has 19 starts and Leonard has 5. Hayden has 3 and Johnson has 21 starts. Not nearly as bad 48 starts all together. Not good either but not as bad as 4.

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chbright, i think you will be dissappointed when we don't take a DT in this years draft. We already have 6 DTs under contract. The signing of Ed Johnson ensured that we do not take one in the draft.. we have too many holes to fill.

Louis Leonard

Tank Tyler

Ed Johnson

Corvey Irvin

Nick Hayden

Derek Landri

i agree with you, i think of those 6 only 4 will actually still be around after training camp, its anyones guess who stays and who goes but i'd feel okay with letting Hayden and Landri go since Irvin was drafted higher if my memory is correct and we gave up picks for Tyler and I think Leonard, so DT is not a pressing need:

DE - say what you will, Brown is Freeney lite we need more pressure off the edge and from who is left they are just solid backups

OLB - if Davis re-signs this need drops

WR - Moose can't out run father time for too much longer, we need a #2 guy that could eventually become that #1 when Smitty's reign is done

OL - losing Gross and Otah, as well as Hangartner to FAgency last season hurt BIG more versatile depth is always needed

QB - It's Moore's time but we need to add talent through draft

S - Godfrey project is almost an epic fail, need to retool

K - its time to hand over the riens to Lloyd or bring in someone new, but the Original Carolina Panther may need to ride off into the sunset now

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I AM, you are forgetting about CJ Wilson, he was tendered. He isn't much more than a warm body, but he is still on the roster. So assuming Richard Marshall get's a contract from another team, and we match it, we will still have 4 CBs. We only lost Dante Wesley, so when you look at it that way, CB is not that great of a need.. we are just replacing Dante Wesley from last year's group.

OLB and WR and DE are definitely our biggest needs still.

Good catch (I am I AM btw)...

Still, I count Martin as a FS at this point... he and Godfrey are very similar...

If Marshall is signed elsewhere (which I think we won't match to get a 2nd) that will leave us with Gamble, Munnerlyn, Wilson, and a hybrid CB/S in Martin... I think we need at least someone else capable of playing the nickle slot (as I consider our defense to have 3 starting CBs) and if Gamble, Munnerlyn, or Martin go down, that leaves us with Wilson potentially starting...

If Marshall isn't gone, we'll be alright, but I still think CB is a need later on in the draft, for depth/ST purposes if nothing else...

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Good catch (I am I AM btw)...

Still, I count Martin as a FS at this point... he and Godfrey are very similar...

If Marshall is signed elsewhere (which I think we won't match to get a 2nd) that will leave us with Gamble, Munnerlyn, Wilson, and a hybrid CB/S in Martin... I think we need at least someone else capable of playing the nickle slot (as I consider our defense to have 3 starting CBs) and if Gamble, Munnerlyn, or Martin go down, that leaves us with Wilson potentially starting...

If Marshall isn't gone, we'll be alright, but I still think CB is a need later on in the draft, for depth/ST purposes if nothing else...

I agree that if Marshall is signed by someone else, we'll take the second. But I really think a lot depends on what they think of Martin. Prior to the rash of injuries at Safety during camp last year, Martin was clearly ahead of Munnerlyn on the CB depth chart (he came in at least a quarter or more before Munnerlyn, usually at the end of the 2nd quarter against the 2's and 3's, while Captain came in during the 4th against the 3's and 4's) and only moved to Safety after the Wesley experiment failed. So it comes down to whether or not the coaches still view Martin as a primary CB and emergency FS, or just a FS now.

My guess is that with how much better Godfrey played after coming back from his injury, along with Martin being a second round pick, they will try him back at CB since they want to get their best players on the field.

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