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As much grief as I've given them, I think the Panther FO has been brilliant lately


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#51 rayzor

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 12:45 PM

diggs was slowing down a lot during the course of the year and was seeing less play time as a result. his replacement was inevitable...esp. on a defense that has to be fast to work like meeks'. he was a sold player but his time had come and was nearly gone. he held on to his spot by a thread the past couple years and that thread was growing increasingly bare. it might have been a little early to release him but not by much. at least we KNOW that we have to address that situation now. much better to be in that situation than to hope he could perform at a high level and address other areas only to find out that he couldn't.

re: lewis....i haven't been sold on his sticking around for a while. we have so much young talent there that for a team wanting to build for the future, it was a shame to not give them a chance to start. we want to have a team that develops talent? then give them a chance to start. there is no better way to get better than to get in the game. we were looking at the most 2 or 3 more years from lewis, each year with him slowing down and becoming less effective but keeping a starting spot because of fox's loyalty issues and preference for vets to have the starting job. what we could have is 8-10 years from a couple of young and talented DTs that we have on the roster right now or can get this year. sorry, but i'm going to take what makes us stronger for years over what makes us stronger for one year every day.

brayton...this is one player i hope we get back but in losing him we give johnson and brown a lot more opportunity for growth and more responsibility. we have two players that could turn into studs for us. i'm all for giving them a chance to achieve that. we got brayton off the scrap heap. if we want a vet to come in and do well, we can get another one from the same place. who knows? maybe we get him back. regardless, brown and johnson have enough invested in them and have done enough to make the front office believe that they will be enough of a cornerstone on that line going forward. we need depth but we don't need to overpay for it.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 12:51 PM

The Panthers seem to do well drafting definsively and rb's. TE's haven't been world beaters but I guess they don't need to be.
They got rid of alot of stop gap players. They also lost a huge piece on D with Pep.
I think cra said it best. They are getting cheap and having easy contracts for the new coaching regime for 2011 should there even be a season then.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 12:56 PM

The Panthers seem to do well drafting definsively and rb's. TE's haven't been world beaters but I guess they don't need to be.
They got rid of alot of stop gap players. They also lost a huge piece on D with Pep.
I think cra said it best. They are getting cheap and having easy contracts for the new coaching regime for 2011 should there even be a season then.




Kinda sucks though if your a fan paying hundreds of dollars to see what could be a sub par team. The FA class sucks though so I cant really blame them for not giving 40 mill to a scrub.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:00 PM

The Panthers seem to do well drafting definsively and rb's. TE's haven't been world beaters but I guess they don't need to be.
They got rid of alot of stop gap players. They also lost a huge piece on D with Pep.
I think cra said it best. They are getting cheap and having easy contracts for the new coaching regime for 2011 should there even be a season then.


even if this is true...i don't have much of a problem with it. there were so many people complaining that the panthers were "mortgaging the future" in the way they had treated the draft. well...now they are looking ahead. play to win now or set the stage for a new regime to come in and build the way he wants to. older players would be the first to go in a HC change anyway.

i'm just taking the long view here and am pretty happy with it. i'm also of the opinion that those that we lost are not irreplaceable in the short term and that we have enough to build a solid 2010 team with. there are only a couple positions that need anything close to desperate attention. most everything is just a matter of depth or bringing in competition. there is plenty of time and will be plenty of opportunities in the long offseason to address those situaions and do it in a cost effective manner.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:02 PM

people seem to be overlooking how little the panthers ever do in the big FA market. they don't go big and when they do they generally fall flat on their face.

where they have their success is in getting several prospects with good potential who haven't yet hit their peak looking for that diamond in the rough.

FA has just started and it's a long offseason. there is still plenty of ricks to go through to find replacement parts for those players we lost who were all pretty much scraps when they got here in the first place.

where did we get these guys we lost? where did we get jake, diggs, lewis, and brayton? what about hollis thomas?

other guys we lost like kemo and landon johnson....they were pretty big FA moves and how well did they pay off? what about keyshawn johnson or justin hartwig? david carr? those were huge FA moves for us and what happened there?

we do much better at drafting players and picking up other peoples cast offs than going after the hot commodities that go earliest in FA. you don't risk a lot by getting them and you have less chance of them having only played for a paycheck.

these high profile FAs that went early yesterday got what they wanted most...a paycheck. the guys we pick up are those who are just wanting a chance to prove themselves and they will work harder than those who just wanted a fat paycheck.


well, the Panthers are never very active in FA b/c they have not had a reason to for the majority of Fox's stay.....he has never purged the team and has always been looking for one or two pieces to what he considered a team ready to make a run at the playoffs.

That imo is why the lack of draft picks and inactivity is an issue to some following this purge....b/c under the current scenario teams are active and go heavy in the draft. Carolina will do neither......and is basically flushing this season down, with Fox.....and will see what 2012 brings.....and they will have plenty of cash to go heavy then under the new coach/system.

Personally, i think Fox's comment during his press conference spoke volumes about him and Jake.......Fox is going to do his best knowing he is done. 10% each year you are liked less and less......Fox knows Carolina isn't bringing him back and this purge is part of the post Fox prep work imo.

Long term....this is good. I just think some are not realistic about what is going on now and what to expect in 2010.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:12 PM

well, the Panthers are never very active in FA b/c they have not had a reason to for the majority of Fox's stay.....he has never purged the team and has always been looking for one or two pieces to what he considered a team ready to make a run at the playoffs.

That imo is why the lack of draft picks and inactivity is an issue to some following this purge....b/c under the current scenario teams are active and go heavy in the draft. Carolina will do neither......and is basically flushing this season down, with Fox.....and will see what 2012 brings.....and they will have plenty of cash to go heavy then under the new coach/system.

Personally, i think Fox's comment during his press conference spoke volumes about him and Jake.......Fox is going to do his best knowing he is done. 10% each year you are liked less and less......Fox knows Carolina isn't bringing him back and this purge is part of the post Fox prep work imo.

i think you are right. i'm not believing that the 2010 season is a wash, i think we can still be solid contenders esp. considering the schedule and much of the players that are still in place.

with that said, i think no matter what happens short of a superbowl win that fox is gone after the season. who ever comes in will have as an ideal a situation to build as they could ask for. if moore is great next year then the new coach has something to work with. if he isn't then he won't be around. it's only a one year deal. the new coach can start from scratch.

i just hope that we don't give up the 2011 1st round pick (or any for that matter) this year. i want us to go into 2011 with a full number of picks. after all the losses so far this year we should have a couple of comp picks coming our way as well. i'm liking the way things are shaping up.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:17 PM

The Panthers seem to do well drafting definsively and rb's. TE's haven't been world beaters but I guess they don't need to be.
They got rid of alot of stop gap players. They also lost a huge piece on D with Pep.
I think cra said it best. They are getting cheap and having easy contracts for the new coaching regime for 2011 should there even be a season then.



Well yeah because you have to take into consideration what kind of a roster Cowher will want.

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Posted 06 March 2010 - 01:29 PM

i think you are right. i'm not believing that the 2010 season is a wash, i think we can still be solid contenders esp. considering the schedule and much of the players that are still in place.

with that said, i think no matter what happens short of a superbowl win that fox is gone after the season. who ever comes in will have as an ideal a situation to build as they could ask for. if moore is great next year then the new coach has something to work with. if he isn't then he won't be around. it's only a one year deal. the new coach can start from scratch.

i just hope that we don't give up the 2011 1st round pick (or any for that matter) this year. i want us to go into 2011 with a full number of picks. after all the losses so far this year we should have a couple of comp picks coming our way as well. i'm liking the way things are shaping up.


i agree.

I like Moore, my only worry is he might be put in a horrible scenario that will make his stay short. A lack of defense (which is reasonable imo to expect) and Carolina will be forced to go heavy on the pass in games.......and we all know Carolina is a one WR offense and no rookie (or Jarrett) is going to change that. I could see Moore being in a bad spot for his first year as the starter......

I may seem negative on these boards, but i think what they are doing in a positive when looking at 2012 and what the new coach will be able to do. Carolina is doing what needs to be done and looks to be doing it well. They don't want to bring in vets to deals that the new coach will have to bother with whem implementing what it is he is going to do.