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problem is Drew just is not that on court leader that Lawson, Felton, Cota, Williams, etc were. Carolina has always had exceptional guard play, and when that player isn't ready or does not have the tools to become an elite guard the team suffers. It is kinda hard to show off the boatloads of talent if you cant get the ball to the them. Also, hard for some players to switch from HS ball to College level ball right away....Sure there are players that can make the transition with ease such as Melo, Corey Maggette, Brandon Wright, John Wall, but others take 2to even 4 years to fully develop. You were right at the beginning of the season by calling out Drew and being right, I have to admit that.

Also, this team has multiple personalities.......half of the team wants to run like the Carolina teams we have seen in the past, while the others want to set up a half court offense.I honestly hate Deon Thompson, and I never have liked him, but I think he would be one of the better players if he was in a "Princeton" style of offense

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Where do you get this idea that Kendall Marshall is gonna flop, Unicar? From everything I've been reading, he's playing pretty darn good basketball right now. In fact, he hit a clutch 3 in his last game that gave his team a chance to win.

Anyway, congrats to Duke. Now you better go kick ass in the NCAA's like Carolina did last year. I don't want to see the best team in NC flop on the national stage.

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IF

U N C makes the N I T

Roy needs to sit Ginyard & Thompson and thank them for their leadership this season

Start next seasons players in N I T and give them more game experience

Ginyard & Thompson need to rest up for Europe basketball.

On court leadership sunk this ship

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Enjoy it d00kies UNC gon beat datass the next 5 years.

Right, keep thinking that. We will be even better next year and you guys still will not have the point guard Roy needs to be successful. I guess you heels fans have to hold on to something, good luck in the NIT.:D

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Where do you get this idea that Kendall Marshall is gonna flop, Unicar? From everything I've been reading, he's playing pretty darn good basketball right now. In fact, he hit a clutch 3 in his last game that gave his team a chance to win.

Anyway, congrats to Duke. Now you better go kick ass in the NCAA's like Carolina did last year. I don't want to see the best team in NC flop on the national stage.

Its not that I think he is going to just flat out suck. The kid is a good basketball player. But it is typical of national pundits to overrate the kid because he signed with Carolina. He wasn't even ranked in the top 50 players nationally before he signed. Carolina fans point to the NBA camp as his "coming out party" but the guy averaged like 10 points and 8 assists for 2 days during a camp. Whereas, guys like Ryan Harrow, Joe Jackson, Kyrie Irving have averaged 30ppg 8 assists per game for an entire season in Atlanta, Memphis, and New Jersey. Arguably the only one that has received more hype than Marshall is Irving.

Marshall is a tall, slow, relatively unathletic point guard. How do you think that is going to work in the Roy Williams offense?

I think that Barnes and Bullock are going to make your team better next year. But over on Carolinablue and IC they are already clamoring for next year, like next year is going to be this masterpiece of a season.

Next season will be better but I still wouldn't say at this point that I would put the 2010-2011 team past the second round of the NCAA tournament. ESPECIALLY since you guys are going to be losing Ed Davis and Deon Thompson. I mean is Tyler Zeller or the Wear twins really able to fill those shoes?? Didn't look like it against Duke the other night.

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Good grief. So now Marshall is slow and unathletic? Do you go and watch every high school basketball game in the country in person or something? How are you such an expert on every Carolina recruit, and why should I take your word on any of this?

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Its not that I think he is going to just flat out suck. The kid is a good basketball player. But it is typical of national pundits to overrate the kid because he signed with Carolina. He wasn't even ranked in the top 50 players nationally before he signed.

Wrong on that part. Some of these sites that even rank middle schoolers had him ranked at the top. Seems even he was ranked the #1 ranked 8th grade pg. His stock has actually dropped a bit.

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on Marshall, I have actually seen the kid play, and while not nearly as quick as a Lawson, the kid is still pretty quick. The thing I am excited about is his ball control and passing game. Granted this is against other High School talent with AAU, but the kid shows a lot of potential.

The knock on Drew is that he sometimes liked to force things, he would let the speed of the game dictate things......If the games were slow paced, he would play slow and vice versa. Sometimes the game got too quick for him and made mistakes, which had people worried. (This came from a few UCLA fans that had seen him play) I thought he would grow out of that, and he still could. Right now though he reminds me a lot of another west coaster Quentin Thomas

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on Marshall, I have actually seen the kid play, and while not nearly as quick as a Lawson, the kid is still pretty quick. The thing I am excited about is his ball control and passing game. Granted this is against other High School talent with AAU, but the kid shows a lot of potential.

The knock on Drew is that he sometimes liked to force things, he would let the speed of the game dictate things......If the games were slow paced, he would play slow and vice versa. Sometimes the game got too quick for him and made mistakes, which had people worried. (This came from a few UCLA fans that had seen him play) I thought he would grow out of that, and he still could. Right now though he reminds me a lot of another west coaster Quentin Thomas

Then I don't believe that you have seen him play. The kid is slow, but does have good handles and can pass. Quick would not be the word I would use to describe him at all. No way he is a 5 star player, there are at least 10-12 pg's that are in the class that are better then him. Scout has Corey Joseph, and Ryan Harrow ranked behind Marshall and that is crazy. Tyler Thornton has had a better year then Marshall and Thornton outplayed him both times they played this year. Marshall is not even going to make all district 1st team. Also Thornton's team won both games. All of you heels fans are buying into the hype and you will be disappointed, because he is a good player but not great and the system Roy runs he needs a great pg. Sorry kids Marshall is not your savior, and although I do think you will be better next year I don't think you will compete with the top of the ACC.

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Tyler Thornton and Josh Hairston were All Met 1st team while Kendall Marshall was 2nd team. Tell me how neither one of them make the Mcdonald's all american game but Marshall does? I just can't wait for Marshall and Irving to match up against each other so you guys can see what a real all american point guard looks like. Marshall averages 15 ppg against mediocre competition while Irving averages 27 ppg against the best competition in the nation.

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Good grief. So now Marshall is slow and unathletic? Do you go and watch every high school basketball game in the country in person or something? How are you such an expert on every Carolina recruit, and why should I take your word on any of this?

Notice that I love Reggie Bullock and Harrison Barnes. I think they are two of the best prospects in the country. So its not like I am hating on all players from Carolina. All I am saying is that Roy Williams likes to get up and down and his PG is SOOO ESSENTIAL as we are seeing this year. I find it hard to believe that a PG that doesn't have the "Ty Lawson/Felton" type ability to get up and down the floor will excel in that system. Thats all I am saying.

But here are some write-ups on Marshall from different sites. They all love his creativity and vision...almost nobody hails his athleticism, which IMO is essential for a Roy Williams PG.

Draft Express:

Defensively, Marshall doesn’t have much lateral quickness to speak of, but he again knows how to use his tremendous smarts and timing to get the job done.

It will be fascinating to see how Marshall’s game translates to the college level, as it appears that he has a chance to be a very special player for Roy Williams at North Carolina, especially as he approaches his upperclassmen seasons. Marshall may not have the athleticism or upside to jump to the NBA as early as some of his counterparts in this class, which will probably be just fine by the Tar Heel faithful, and actually makes him a much more valuable get in the long-term. Watching him practice and interact with his teammates, it appears that Marshall has an excellent work ethic and all-around outstanding intangibles, which only adds to the picture.

Jerry Meyer:

With a superb basketball IQ, Marshall plays with surprising poise and at a deceptive pace. He sets up for a burst that is just fast enough to beat his man and controlled enough for him to read the situation with precision. The lefty also has a more-than-reliable jumper and has a knack for delivering the pass with timing whether it is off his penetration in the half court or a pass up the court in transition. Improving his explosiveness and improving on the defensive side of the ball are his next challenges.

So like I said...Its not like the kid can't play. He obviously can or he wouldn't have been a renowned recruit. But Carolina NEEDS the athletic guard IMO and Marshall isn't it. Maybe he will give just enough to get UNC where they need to be next year but he's not going to make them an elite team IMO. They'll improve next year but not by the amount that UNC fans are expecting them to. Just my opinion though. I think that they will be battling with NC State for that 3-4 seed in the ACC.

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Tyler Thornton and Josh Hairston were All Met 1st team while Kendall Marshall was 2nd team. Tell me how neither one of them make the Mcdonald's all american game but Marshall does? I just can't wait for Marshall and Irving to match up against each other so you guys can see what a real all american point guard looks like. Marshall averages 15 ppg against mediocre competition while Irving averages 27 ppg against the best competition in the nation.

Say what you want but Marshall is going to be a good player.

Marshall just recently lead his team to the state championship (VIS).

And being performed by Thornton. They just recently matched up again in the WCAC semi's that got pushed back due to the snow. Marshall outperformed Thornton even though Thorntons team won by 2. Marshall pretty much carried his team that game while Thorntons teammates helped him out a good-bit.

Last summer Marshall out-matched MANY top pgs at camps and AAU including Irving etc. Thats why he was named MVP at NBAp, CP3, D Williams etc. He may not have made all metro or whatever but i'm pretty sure that that those guys can Really judge talent. If you don't think so, you Really need to apply for an NBA scout position because you are obviously better than any of the ones out there now.

Here are some clips from a scrimmage this past summer he was in that included Irving, Rivers, Barnes, Leslie, etc.

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