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Worried about morale this season....

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Brayton was feared? I like the guy, but come on! :)

Peppers was it, and if we still had Peppers a lot of people would be saying that we were poised to get better. So we lose Peppers, does that lose the season for us?

no, but it'll be an obstacle that we'll have to face once training camp starts. i still think e. brown is gonna be a beast in ron meeks' system. and if we draft another defensive end in the draft, i think we'll be set.

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i think it all comes down to this. i doesnt matter how much "heart" you have or how "hungry" you are or you just need to "step up" whatever buzz words that you can come up with. it is all about talent. that combined with experience that makes a good player. this is what seperates the average guys from the great players. it is not so easy just to say "step up" to some players. they may or may not have the talent level to take it to the next level or experience for that matter. that is gained OVER TIME. that is why vets are important there experience tempered with youths talent makes for a dangerous combination in any group.

also just because we say someone has to step up doesnt mean they will.

also these young guys havent "earned" anything. they were basically handed the job. they didnt have to beat out a vet to get it. they are just coming of injured reserve(which is another issue in itself) to a starting spot.

People are looking at the loss of the vets in the wrong way. i keep seeing everyone break it down individually. But we need to look at there loss as a whole. individually they may not have been probowlers, but what team has that many probowlers anyway?. but collectively their experience combined with their skills, help us out tremendously last year. People act like we drafted tank tyler and leonard and they grew up in our system. they havent. not saying they wont get better or arent any good. but to expect a line made up of inexperience players with barely a years starting experience between them to be dominant is crazy. i know young guys need a shot but most teams dont give there guys a shot like this. what teams do you know of that have dump one whole unit and given it to rookies or guys with less than a years experience all together? not many i gaurantee you that.

omg he didnt say superbowl GET HIM

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we are not a "doom" crew. but can you honestly say with all the experience we lost we are a better team right now? all the experts even our own beat writers recognize this. you guys act like all of a sudden we got a probowl roster on our hands. we just refuse to drink the koolaid and are not on the "YEAH!!! WE CUT DELHOMME! EVERYTHING IS FINE" high. we are not saying that we will be 1-15 agian, but to act like we are a team that is set to be a playoff threat is crazy.

I think we are a comparable team now.

DT....I don't think we are any worse off with Leonard, Tyler, and Irvin than with kemo and Lewis.

LB...we are better off with Anderson/Conner starting than Diggs

QB....don't even need to comment on this one.

DE...losing Peppers does hurt this team. I like Johnson alot and Brown has shown an ability to get pressure. That being said, we still need a vet DE (like Brayton) to put into the rotation and mix.

WR...if we see the old Jarrett, then we are worse. However, moose is not getting any younger. I will defer until later to evaluate this position.

Listen people...we are not done with the roster. There will be a few FA's, and there will be new rookies.

I am deferring total judgement until later in the FA when we see the final roster going into TC.

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Carolina. The Panthers go with the term “quarterback pressures’’ and their numbers are dramatically higher than Atlanta’s. Not sure if that’s a case of Carolina having a better pass rush or the coaches being more generous in their breakdowns. Whatever the case, former Carolina defensive end Julius Peppers was credited with a team-best 35 pressures. Former Carolina defensive tackle Damione Lewis was next with 21. Those guys are gone, but here’s something encouraging for those wondering about the future of Carolina’s defensive line: Defensive end Everette Brown had 16 pressures in a part-time role in his rookie season. Charles Johnson, another guy who now has a chance to be a starter, had 12 pressures in a part-time role. Tyler Brayton, who started last season and seems destined to end up elsewhere as a free agent, had 14 pressures.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/8852/counting-qb-pressures-and-hurries

These numbers aren't official, and aren't tracked but apparently this is what some of our assistant coaches saw in the film room.

The one thing that surprised me most is that Brown had so many pressures with such a limited role.

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What a turn around! I'm paraphrasing, but ........... "Players have to step up." "It's up to the players to keep the morale up." "They're grown men." There have even been references that John Fox is a good coach and can develop this young talent quickly and that the FO can more than adequately fill the holes.

After a year of whining and harassing about how bad Fox is and how dumb Hurney is, posters now know they will deliver a winning (let alone playoff) season with all this young inexperienced talent. And last year, nothing was the players' fault (except Peppers sometimes and Delhomme always), nothing.

As carolinanimal says,

we are not a "doom" crew. but can you honestly say with all the experience we lost we are a better team right now? all the experts even our own beat writers recognize this. you guys act like all of a sudden we got a probowl roster on our hands. we just refuse to drink the koolaid and are not on the "YEAH!!! WE CUT DELHOMME! EVERYTHING IS FINE" high. we are not saying that we will be 1-15 agian, but to act like we are a team that is set to be a playoff threat is crazy.
Thank you!

It's the defense that I'm worried about. I won't rehash everything carolinanimal or panthers55 (and others, I'm sure) have said in this thread but I basicaly agree with them. Which also leads me to worry about ST's too.

Not considering Peppers or Delhomme (something had to be done about each), if we hadn't cut starters (average vets, my ass) according to a formula that first looked at their age, I would feel better. Our star player and the kickers are the only 30+ players left and I'm not sure both kickers will stay either.

I said it before, I'll feel better when there's a significant multi-year signing and we start extending our own players.

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