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What do you like/dislike about the most current Health Care proposal?

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I know it will be hard but let this be your own words. Not what fox or huffypoo or pbs or the daily show says.
What in the most updated form of the proposal do you like or don't like?

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Government paying for abortions. I am pro choice, but I shouldn't have to pay to get rid of your "mistake"

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[QUOTE]What do you like/dislike about the most current Health Care proposal?[/QUOTE]

That the politicians who are making these decisions are also reaping the benefits. It has nothing to do with us regardless of the BS you hear on TV and in the press.

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[quote name='Jangler']Government paying for abortions. I am pro choice, but I shouldn't have to pay to get rid of your "mistake"[/QUOTE]

I second this, that is total bs.

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too much government control.

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That government isn't billing the healthcare provider directly for abortions. Waiting for a reimbursement is horsesh[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]t.

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The VA...just look at how THAT is run!

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They've always been great to me. Top notch.

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We know already! The FnCKING world revolves around YOU!!!!

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How about another Government run program, isn't that enough of a reason, Not to like it?? They have done such a good job with SS, spent the money and haven't replaced it...fraud and waste through out the program. Medicare...fraud and waste. The VA...fraud and waste. Just look at the last Government program, the stimulus BS....all the fraud and waste, yes it saved 5 jobs, but at what expense??? Why and how will another entitlement program be any better? or save the others??? No, this is a power grab by the government plain and simple, just another way to get in your pocket, take your money and spread it around.
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[quote name='Jangler']Government paying for abortions. I am pro choice, but I shouldn't have to pay to get rid of your "mistake"[/QUOTE]

look up the Hyde amendment. taxpayer money will not pay for abortions.

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[quote name='rodeo']look up the Hyde amendment. taxpayer money will not pay for abortions.[/QUOTE]

Unless you live in Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Washington, Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont, West Virginia, or are native american, a federal employee or a dependant of a federal employee, a low income woman in Washington D.C., a federal prisoner, a member of a military or related to a member of the military, or a disabled woman on Medicaid.

Not saying I believe that the health reform bill will pay for abortions if passed (I don't) or that publicly subsidized abortions are a bad thing if this bill passes(I don't). Just saying that Hyde is not the best way to defend against such statements. Its been bypassed before, it'll be bypassed again.

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if it's been bypassed before then you can't really say it's anything specific about this healthcare bill, really.

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[quote name='rodeo']if it's been bypassed before then you can't really say it's anything specific about this healthcare bill, really.[/QUOTE]

Nope

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i dislike the bill because it restricts abortions.

[url]http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/13/will-the-pro-choice-caucus-join-ben-nelson-to-sell-out-choice/[/url]

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Which version are they up to now? Its changed so much, I am not sure what all the changes are.

Anyway, my issue is the same as it was before, the cost. I think they are seriously underestimating what this will cost over the next few years, and over the long haul. Yes I have heard all the arguments about how much we are spending on health care, and even if I take them seriously, most of that is spent by private citizens and companies, and is not dependent on taxes.

I am concerned that this will be underfunded, and eventually added to the debt. They are never going to get away with the necessary raises in tax to cover it, and imo, it could eventually become like medicaid. Underfunded and politicians will be afraid they will be voted out of office if they vote for enough taxes to cover it.

Fwiw, the thing has several hundred pages. I doubt any of us have read all of it.

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[quote name='Davidson Deac II'] Fwiw, the thing has several hundred pages. I doubt any of us have read all of it.[/QUOTE]

I read through the House version over the course of a week when it was released. Haven't read the versions since, just been keeping up with the proposed changes.

As for issues, my whole issue with it would be the requirement to purchase something. The government should not be able to tell you how to spend your money. Restrictions are one thing (for instance, you can't spend your money on child pornography) but actively forcing you to buy something? No thank you.

I do like the idea of regulations that make it difficult or impossible for companies to be discriminatory. I think those regulations need a little refinement from their current forms, but I can get behind them.

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I checked for a friend to see if penile enhancement treatments are covered and sadly they are not.


My friend is pretty shaken up about it.

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Poor guy.

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It is being crammed up our asses. The overwhelming majority oppose it , mainly for this reason alone. It may well be the best thing that has happened to this country since the implementation of income tax. However, seems the more resistant we the people become, the more arrogant and determined to cram it through. Lot's of seats gonna have new asses setting in them soon. I called my congressmen and ask how the calls were running, pro/con. He gave me no answer. That is more frustrating than a limp peter. I cannot wait to vote that bastard out!
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[quote name='Speed']It is being crammed up our asses. The overwhelming majority oppose it , mainly for this reason alone. It may well be the best thing that has happened to this country since the implementation of income tax. However, seems the more resistant we the people become, the more arrogant and determined to cram it through. Lot's of seats gonna have new asses setting in them soon. I called my congressmen and ask how the calls were running, pro/con. He gave me no answer. That is more frustrating than a limp peter. I cannot wait to vote that bastard out![/QUOTE]

This. No representation at all.

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That the biggest problem (not the only problem) is that government is partially involved in healthcare, and government's response to this problem is to increase their involvement in healthcare. Only government thinks this way.

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[quote name='Speed']It is being crammed up our asses. The overwhelming majority oppose it , mainly for this reason alone. It may well be the best thing that has happened to this country since the implementation of income tax. However, seems the more resistant we the people become, the more arrogant and determined to cram it through. Lot's of seats gonna have new asses setting in them soon. I called my congressmen and ask how the calls were running, pro/con. He gave me no answer. That is more frustrating than a limp peter. I cannot wait to vote that bastard out![/QUOTE]

Overwhelming majority huh?

Actually, overwhelmingly, when presented as single points in the plan, an overwhelming majority agrees with the plan. It's when it's presented as "heres the plan" that suddenly people think theres some kind of problem with it. That has more to do with the party thats in power vs. the party that is not - if Obama could come up with a way to give free health care to every person in the country, the Republicans would not support it.

[url]http://www.newsweek.com/id/233890[/url]

[quote]When asked about Obama's plan (without being given any details about what the legislation includes), 49 percent opposed it and 40 percent were in favor. But after hearing key features of the legislation described, 48 percent supported the plan and 43 percent remained opposed.[/quote]

What backs up my partisan claim:

[quote]Republicans were much less likely to be swayed by hearing the details; they moved from 15 percent supportive to 18 percent after learning more. There was also little movement among self-described independent voters; after hearing details of the plan, 57 percent were still opposed—down slightly from 62 percent before they knew any specifics.[/quote]

People actually approve of the biggest things about this plan. I get why people hate the idea of forcing people to buy a plan, but I also know who will whine and moan first when it does not happen and someone else is covering the bills.

It's a very difficult thing to do, because a lot of people are currently OK with their health care plans - they really do not understand how things are going to be changing over the next decade, and no historical context about how much money we spend on health care vs. what we get. Both parties KNOW that something has to be done, and both know that things are designed to be tweaked as time goes on and we learn from experience.

I will take your "the plan is being crammed up our asses" comment as simply sour grapes. For gods sake it's been discussed for 20 years and been in Congress for a year now. Every other major nation has some kind of government run plan.

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So I think I can sum up by saying those opposing have no idea why they oppose it other than its "gubment run helfcare" which it isn't.


We deserve whats coming in the next decade.

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[quote name='googoodan']This. No representation at all.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, this is an absurd argument.

Your community elected officials in office. Those officials are legislating.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. My guy did not win, boo hoo hoo.

The majority of Americans want healthcare reform.

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