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How did Carolina make it into the NIT?

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LOL, I don't even know how I got into this because I don't really give a rat's ass how UNC would have done in the SEC. All I care about is that they win the next game.

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It's a football conference, moron. God, you're pathetic. The fact that we've won five of the last 15 national championships in basketball too is pretty amazing.

Football conference or not it doesn't change the fact that the SEC is more often than not a garbage bball conference. Oh and you'll have a very tough time making me believe you'll ever win 5 championships again in any 15 year span. Sorry but Florida won't be winning back to back titles again.

You can have basketball, we'll continue to rape you in the sport that counts.

Since when does basketball not count. March madness is by far the best thing going in college athletics. Other than football I'm not really sure what sports you think you "rape" the ACC in? Historically, the SEC is probably a stronger baseball conference but in recent years the ACC has been at least as good as the SEC and probably better from over the last 5-6 years.

The SEC has two teams in the Sweet 16 this year. The ACC will probably just have two teams as well (G.Tech won't beat OSU).

This is one of the worst years in the history of the ACC. This is a typical year the the SEC.

Didn't UNC have to play @ MSU yesterday? I realize that UNC won, but they were a pre-game underdog to that SEC team.

This actually proves my point. In one of UNC's worst years ever, a year in which we were one of the worst teams in the ACC we still beat and upper tier SEC team at home.

Not quite seeing what's so pathetic about them. They are no Big East or Big XII year in and year out...but neither is the ACC anymore.

This year the ACC is certainly not up to it's usually high basketball standards but SEC fans should never kid themselves by thinking you have ever or will ever be as good as ACC basketball. Maybe a random season here or there when we're down and you're up but consistantly you can't keep up and historically you're not even close.

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Football conference or not it doesn't change the fact that the SEC is more often than not a garbage bball conference. Oh and you'll have a very tough time making me believe you'll ever win 5 championships again in any 15 year span. Sorry but Florida won't be winning back to back titles again.

Arkansas almost did it in the mid-90s. Tennessee is coming on. But Kentucky is back to where Pitino left us. And when that happens, they bring others with them into the Final Four (Miss. State in 96, for example). Plus, I hear realignment is coming, and you don't want to know who's joining the SEC.

This is one of the worst years in the history of the ACC. This is a typical year the the SEC.

That's funny. Didn't they have just three teams in the tournament recently?

This actually proves my point. In one of UNC's worst years ever, a year in which we were one of the worst teams in the ACC we still beat and upper tier SEC team at home.

First of all, Skippy, you have seven Burger Boys on your team. You started this season ranked higher than UK. Secondly, Miss. State was the fifth best SEC team this year. That's why Florida got in ahead of them. And you won that game on a bank shot three.

This year the ACC is certainly not up to it's usually high basketball standards but SEC fans should never kid themselves by thinking you have ever or will ever be as good as ACC basketball. Maybe a random season here or there when we're down and you're up but consistantly you can't keep up and historically you're not even close.

We are a football conference. Here are the SEC schools that have won a national title in football the last 25 years....Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia. Auburn had two undefeated seasons but didn't win it all either of those years. South Carolina, Kentucky, and Arkansas have won multiple bowl games recently.

In basketball, we have the all-time winningest program with seven national titles, a recent two-time national champion in Florida, Arkansas (multiple Final Fours), LSU (multiple Final Fours), and Miss State and Georgia with one. Tennessee has made the Sweet 16 four of the last five years (doubt too many teams can say that). Alabama and Vanderbilt are always competitive. Auburn used to be and is getting ready to hire Tubby Smith. South Carolina has won the NIT twice the last five years.

I suggest you brush up on our history before you make stupid comments.

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Blue moon of Kentucky, keep on shining

Shine on the one that's gone and left me blue

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That's funny. Didn't they have just three teams in the tournament recently?

No, thanks for trying

First of all, Skippy, you have seven Burger Boys on your team. You started this season ranked higher than UK. Secondly, Miss. State was the fifth best SEC team this year. That's why Florida got in ahead of them. And you won that game on a bank shot three.

Bottomline: We were at the bottom of a down ACC, one of our worst years ever and still beat your little SEC team.

We are a football conference. Here are the SEC schools that have won a national title in football the last 25 years....Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia. Auburn had two undefeated seasons but didn't win it all either of those years. South Carolina, Kentucky, and Arkansas have won multiple bowl games recently.

Not really sure what your point is here. Everyone knows the SEC is the better football conference. Pretty sure I said that myself. Thanks for repeating it.

In basketball, we have the all-time winningest program with seven national titles, a recent two-time national champion in Florida, Arkansas (multiple Final Fours), LSU (multiple Final Fours), and Miss State and Georgia with one. Tennessee has made the Sweet 16 four of the last five years (doubt too many teams can say that). Alabama and Vanderbilt are always competitive. Auburn used to be and is getting ready to hire Tubby Smith. South Carolina has won the NIT twice the last five years.

I suggest you brush up on our history before you make stupid comments.

No brushing up necessary. I'm fully aware of the medicority that is SEC basketball outside of UK. Please don't try to prove the historical relevance of SEC basketball compared to the ACC. You're not close, never have been, never will be and you'll be wasting your time.

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Its easy to understand why the ACC is down a bit this year. They lost 10 players to the NBA draft, more than half of them were underclassmen. Carolina lost four (I think three of them were underclassmen), Wake lost 2 and Duke lost one underclassman. The SEC lost two in the second round. Those kind of things made quite a difference.

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No, thanks for trying

Not wrong. The ACC had just three teams in the NCAA tourney a couple of years ago. And this isn't UNC's only NIT trip recently.

Bottomline: We were at the bottom of a down ACC, one of our worst years ever and still beat your little SEC team.

Bottom line...you are bragging about beating Mississippi State. Kentucky just beat Wake Forest by 30 points.

Not really sure what your point is here. Everyone knows the SEC is the better football conference. Pretty sure I said that myself. Thanks for repeating it.

My point is basketball is all you have to hang your hat on. The SEC is the predominant football conference and with the Pac 10 has been for 40 years. Most of our schools bring in the athletes in basketball, but don't pay the coaches to keep them. In fact, we get a lot of coaches who were successful in the ACC (Cliff Ellis, Dave Odom) but can't match that success in the SEC.

No brushing up necessary. I'm fully aware of the medicority that is SEC basketball outside of UK. Please don't try to prove the historical relevance of SEC basketball compared to the ACC. You're not close, never have been, never will be and you'll be wasting your time.

UK > UNC. Duke > Florida. Outside of that, it's pretty even.

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This year the ACC is certainly not up to it's usually high basketball standards but SEC fans should never kid themselves by thinking you have ever or will ever be as good as ACC basketball. Maybe a random season here or there when we're down and you're up but consistantly you can't keep up and historically you're not even close.

That's fine. I'll grant you that the ACC is typically a tougher basketball conference from top to bottom. I was just responding to your comment that the SEC is a "pathetic conference." You I'm not arguing really that the SEC is better, I'm simply asking for a little credit. We did have a school win back-to-back titles a few years ago, and Kensucky, sadly, will win the NC this year. Also, the SEC has more Sweet 16 teams than the ACC. Even if it's a small amount of credit...still, just give us some.

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UT, UK, UF is pretty much all the SEC has year in and year out. Other than that it is a mediocre basketball conference at best. I mean it took a full court miracle for UF (one of the SECs best) to beat NCSU (admittedly one of the ACCs worst). UK is far and away better than any team in the country this year so I'll give you that they are a great team. But SEC fans cannot hang their hat solely on UK when Duke or UNC is a #1 seed at least every other year. I think I heard a stat that was something like for the last 25 years either Duke or UNC has been a #1 seed every single year. That is UNBELIEVABLE.

Not to mention you have to factor in that GT went to the National Championship this decade and I think Maryland was this decade as well. When Chris Paul was at Wake they were ranked #1 and the list goes on of great ACC teams.

Then if you look at the middle to the bottom of the conference over the past 10 years you have teams like UVA, BC, Clemson, NC State (sadly), FSU that regularly knock off top 10 teams. There really isn't a comparison between those teams and teams like Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas, South Carolina and Alabama IMO.

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UT, UK, UF is pretty much all the SEC has year in and year out. Other than that it is a mediocre basketball conference at best. I mean it took a full court miracle for UF (one of the SECs best) to beat NCSU (admittedly one of the ACCs worst). UK is far and away better than any team in the country this year so I'll give you that they are a great team. But SEC fans cannot hang their hat solely on UK when Duke or UNC is a #1 seed at least every other year. I think I heard a stat that was something like for the last 25 years either Duke or UNC has been a #1 seed every single year. That is UNBELIEVABLE.

Not to mention you have to factor in that GT went to the National Championship this decade and I think Maryland was this decade as well. When Chris Paul was at Wake they were ranked #1 and the list goes on of great ACC teams.

Then if you look at the middle to the bottom of the conference over the past 10 years you have teams like UVA, BC, Clemson, NC State (sadly), FSU that regularly knock off top 10 teams. There really isn't a comparison between those teams and teams like Auburn, Georgia, Arkansas, South Carolina and Alabama IMO.

I guess our main point is that for a conference that is so utterly dominant in the major money sport (football), the SEC certainly doesn't embarrass itself in basketball. Five national titles in the last 16 years and eight title game appearances in that span should prove that. And we're not talking flukes, either. Arkansas had Corliss Williamson and Scotty Thurmond. Those teams beat Carolina and Duke in the tourney. Florida had four players now starting in the NBA. They beat Carolina and Duke in the same tournament in 2000 when they lost to Mich. State. And Kentucky in 1996 was the best team of the last 30 years, with apologies to Vegas. Kentucky was deeper. If Pitino allows Derek Anderson to play in the 97 final, they might have had three straight titles.

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These SEC vs ACC "debates" are so ghey.

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Not wrong. The ACC had just three teams in the NCAA tourney a couple of years ago. And this isn't UNC's only NIT trip recently.

Again, no. You must be thinking about the SEC.

ACC SEC

'10- 6 4

'09- 7 3

'08- 4 6

'07- 7 5

Bottom line...you are bragging about beating Mississippi State. Kentucky just beat Wake Forest by 30 points.

Your reading comprehension fails you sometimes. The point that's being made is that the ACC is a much better basketball conference. A UNC team that finished at the bottom of a down ACC beating a mid to upper tier SEC team at home helps prove that. Not bragging just proving the point that's being debated.

You on the other hand saying UK (by far the best team in the SEC) beat Wake (a bubble team from the ACC) by 30 does nothing to discount the point I'm making. Thanks again for bringing up facts that are completely irrelevant to the discussion.

My point is basketball is all you have to hang your hat on.

You're not very familiar with the ACC are you?

The SEC is the predominant football conference and with the Pac 10 has been for 40 years. Most of our schools bring in the athletes in basketball, but don't pay the coaches to keep them. In fact, we get a lot of coaches who were successful in the ACC (Cliff Ellis, Dave Odom) but can't match that success in the SEC.

Agreed

UK > UNC. Duke > Florida. Outside of that, it's pretty even.

Nice try but UNC and UK pretty much cancel each other out. So when you take those two out the ACC still has Duke which the rest of the SEC combined can't match Duke's individual history.

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