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Do you have faith in Dwayne Jarrett's ability to step up next season?

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Which other rookies had Jake Delhomme throwing them the ball....??

I was more refering to the rookie's in the NFL who have had much more success than he has. 19 rookies had a better than he did THIS year. 6 teams who were in the bottom 10 in passer rating had better years than he did.

If you want limit it just to the panthers then only Dante Rosario out produced him while being a rookie, but this is in 07 when Jake was injured.

You have to give a lot of credit to Jarett for out-producing guys Charley Martin and Ryne Robinson. He beat the rookie Jonathan Stewart and Mike Goodson. Got more catches than Gary Barnidge and Kenny Moore in their 1st year in 09.

Not the most impressive list.

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Yes a ton of faith in him actually, he'll finally get the looks he needs to be a threat

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I was more refering to the rookie's in the NFL who have had much more success than he has. 19 rookies had a better than he did THIS year. 6 teams who were in the bottom 10 in passer rating had better years than he did.

If you want limit it just to the panthers then only Dante Rosario out produced him while being a rookie, but this is in 07 when Jake was injured.

You have to give a lot of credit to Jarett for out-producing guys Charley Martin and Ryne Robinson. He beat the rookie Jonathan Stewart and Mike Goodson. Got more catches than Gary Barnidge and Kenny Moore in their 1st year in 09.

Not the most impressive list.

What I meant was the fact that Dwayne Jarrett had to overcome Jake as his QB pretty much makes your point about rookie WR's outproducing him null and void.

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faith is a big word. no, i dont have faith in him, but i do think there is a good possibility that he steps it up this year. he has to know that this will be his last chance. hopefully, he is studying the playbook as i am typing this

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he has great hands I don't know where you got that idea.

Sometimes he misses a catch just out of a lack of effort, but if the ball touches his hands it's stuck there.

yeah, he can catch a simple 5 yard west coast style pass, but when its more than 10 yards, he sucks (and don't give that he caught a 30 yard TD, it was vs backups, and a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in awhile as someone said earlier).

Remember the 1st saints game from last year? Jake threw a damn near perfect deep pass (i know, i know) RIGHT TO Jarret, he drops it, and it would have been pretty much a TD barring the fact that he may have forgotten what an endzone looked like at that point. Something that KILLED our momentum that we had. maybe its unfair, but that moment was scarred into my mind.

saying his hands are above average is a joke.

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unless he gets injured he will have a good season. I have noticed he catches everything thrown to him. Correct me if I'm wrong. He will have 6-800 yards and anywhere from 6-10 Tds as long as Moore is Qb.

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yeah, he can catch a simple 5 yard west coast style pass, but when its more than 10 yards, he sucks (and don't give that he caught a 30 yard TD, it was vs backups, and a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in awhile as someone said earlier).

Remember the 1st saints game from last year? Jake threw a damn near perfect deep pass (i know, i know) RIGHT TO Jarret, he drops it, and it would have been pretty much a TD barring the fact that he may have forgotten what an endzone looked like at that point. Something that KILLED our momentum that we had. maybe its unfair, but that moment was scarred into my mind.

saying his hands are above average is a joke.

I don't think he does much well but his hands are definately his biggest asset. I've seen him make a ton of long catches and many on 3rd down as well. His career average is above 10 yards and usually the only touches he gets in a game are pretty long. He's had plenty of the dump off passes too but it doesn't mean he can't catch a long ball. He doesn't do well at running his routes or getting seperation but his hands are great.

I don't feel like that's an honest critique at all, you're just piling on the negatives because of all the other things he doesn't do well.

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I love Richard Williamson, but I believe his ability to be an effective mentor for young receivers has been declining for the last few years. Smitty was the last guy he was really able to coach up that we've drafted.

I think it's more likely that Smith did well just because he's a beast than because someone coached him.

yeah, he can catch a simple 5 yard west coast style pass, but when its more than 10 yards, he sucks (and don't give that he caught a 30 yard TD, it was vs backups, and a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in awhile as someone said earlier).

Remember the 1st saints game from last year? Jake threw a damn near perfect deep pass (i know, i know) RIGHT TO Jarret, he drops it, and it would have been pretty much a TD barring the fact that he may have forgotten what an endzone looked like at that point. Something that KILLED our momentum that we had. maybe its unfair, but that moment was scarred into my mind.

saying his hands are above average is a joke.

Everyone drops passes, especially those long passes where errors are more apparent and affect the play drastically. This especially applies to a receiver who doesn't routinely get those thrown to him in games. Practice is not the real thing. It doesn't matter what you do in practice; the real game is going to be different. I'd let him get another two or three of those same exact passes thrown to him over a couple of games before I'd write him off. Then, after that... :o

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Ok, let's put some facts and figures into the Dwayne Jarrett arguement.

He played approximately 37% of our offences plays, with 207 pass plays and 116 run plays. This included his two starts in weeks 8 & 9 where he played 84.1% and 90.7% of the games snaps, these two heavily outweigh the rest of his data. If you ignore these two 'anomalies' then he played just 27.1% of our offences snaps, which a third was for run blocking.

So what did he do with these 207 (465 total team passing snaps) opportunities he was given in the passing game?

He was thrown at 29 times, completing 17 of them

1 touchdown

1 drop

0 passes were intercepted when thrown at him

He managed 11.5 yards per catch and generated 2.8 yards after the catch per reception

So effectively he made a play in just 8% of his passing plays, however was only thrown at in 5% of the teams drop backs and 14% of plays that produced a pass. Want some comparison?

Moose featured in 444 of our passing plays and made a play in 12% despite being thrown at in 16% of our drop backs and 18% of our passing plays that produced a pass. Moose had 2 drops and 5 passes were intercepted when aimed at him. He achieved an 11 ypc and a 2.5 yac. He had only 1 touchdown.

Smith featured in 487 of our passing plays and made a play in 13%, despite being thrown at in 22% of drop backs and 26% of passes that produced a pass. Smitty had 3 drops and 11 passes were intercepted when aimed at him. He achieved a 14.7 ypc and a 4.9 yac. He caught 7 touchdowns.

Made a play = caught a pass

So what does all that mean? Jarrett is no worse than Moose and actually produces and a similar ratio to our other receivers when you take into their opportunities. He was clearly 'in the dog house', especially after his worst game against the Jets. However when he was thrust into a more prominent role, he was effective, but never got the looks Moose and Smith did, even when they were out, with Jarrett being thrown at a high of 5 times. That could suggest he has trouble generating separation, although I think this is mute, because he should be able to fight people off for the ball, much like Colsten does.

Personally, I would think he gets a shot at starting, but could get benched regardless of who is behind him. He seems to be one player, that despite performing adequately, he never gets that many opportunities to 'shine'. Still I would see him putting in AT LEAST what Moose achieved this year, so if we can find a quality slot receiver, this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Just do not expect him to light the league up.

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I think he will do well, like one person said Jake just didn't look his way a lot. So I have faith in him.

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I have to admit though, the more he played last season, I actually would watch him whether he got the ball or not to see what the problem was. My conclusion? There wasn't any on his part.

He appeared to get off the press and create separation on most the plays I watched him. With his height, he's able to create a target for the QB even when he doesn't have a lot of space from the defender. But, on a lot of plays there was at least 2-3 yards of "open" between him and his defender. Usually Jake would throw to his old "go to" on these plays, the other team's safety.

In all seriousness, if you have the games recorded, go back and watch Jarrett. I don't think he was the problem. It appeared to me that he did his part and was getting open, he just rarely got a well thrown ball his way, or he wasn't even looked at.

Also, on the plays I saw Jarrett in, he was just as much of a blocker as Moose was. He did a great job blocking.

I admittedly don't have much hope for DJ though for some reason.

But, considering these observations... Do you think Jarrett could be a victim of Fox, just like Moore was? I remember someone on here had said Fox didn't want to give the reigns over to Matt before b/c he wasn't what he considered a "football player." So did Fox put those same limitations on DJ? It makes sense... Every TC I hear reports of how DJ is killing in practice and then the season comes and he is barely active or seen for that matter.

Maybe he hasn't been given a fair chance b/c like Moore, he wasn't what Fox considered a real football player? Perhaps to young/laid back...

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I have to admit though, the more he played last season, I actually would watch him whether he got the ball or not to see what the problem was. My conclusion? There wasn't any on his part.

He appeared to get off the press and create separation on most the plays I watched him. With his height, he's able to create a target for the QB even when he doesn't have a lot of space from the defender. But, on a lot of plays there was at least 2-3 yards of "open" between him and his defender. Usually Jake would throw to his old "go to" on these plays, the other team's safety.

In all seriousness, if you have the games recorded, go back and watch Jarrett. I don't think he was the problem. It appeared to me that he did his part and was getting open, he just rarely got a well thrown ball his way, or he wasn't even looked at.

Also, on the plays I saw Jarrett in, he was just as much of a blocker as Moose was. He did a great job blocking.

I admittedly don't have much hope for DJ though for some reason.

But, considering these observations... Do you think Jarrett could be a victim of Fox, just like Moore was? I remember someone on here had said Fox didn't want to give the reigns over to Matt before b/c he wasn't what he considered a "football player." So did Fox put those same limitations on DJ? It makes sense... Every TC I hear reports of how DJ is killing in practice and then the season comes and he is barely active or seen for that matter.

Maybe he hasn't been given a fair chance b/c like Moore, he wasn't what Fox considered a real football player? Perhaps to young/laid back...

You make a very good point on the fact that it might be Fox, because it's not like the first time he's done this before I remember when people thought D-Will wasn't that good because he couldn't beat out Fumbling Foster. But that was not the case Fox just didn't want to switch to him because of his loality to Foster. But look at the outcome D-Will has given us two back to back 1000 yards and proved he can hold his own. So in some cases I can see that it might be Fox holding some guys back.

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