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#16 GRWatcher

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 12:57 PM

Similar deal: In the 03 Cowboy game, Buckner caught on to Quincy Carter tipping the snap count (something he did with his hands, if I remember right) and the Panthers D-Line used it against the Cowboys offense all game.


And Parcells dumped Quincey Carter as fast as he could after that game. I remember that clearly. Jenkins & Buckner were called for offsides a couple of times because they were moving off the "give" so quickly.

If the Falcotton headed ninny mugginss fans are talking about it, Jake and Davidson are thinking about it. You can count on Jake changing things up.

Edit: :lol: I typed F-a-l-c-u-n-t-s and the filter changed it. :lol:

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:01 PM

The story was reported after Henning's firing (Observer, I think). Whether it's true or not, I don't know. The Panthers are fairly tight-lipped and don't like to bad mouth anyone, even guys they've let go, so I doubt they'd confirm it.

Watching the way Henning ran the offense when he was here, I have to admit it sounds at least somewhat plausible.


Oh no, I remember that, too. Still don't know if it's true, but I can't imagine a pro-level coach not having the mind to vary a snap count. It's simple and something done even at the middle school level. I was talking about the person who said that the Falcons were going on the same snap count because Ryan was a rookie. I don't buy for a minute that they were going on the same sound all game. I do buy, however, that they Cards may have seen something in film (like him leaning back as Pumpkin Eater says) or something of that nature.

If Henning was going on the same snap every down maybe that's why his butt was fired :D

But is it not the QB's responsibility to designate the snap count?

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:04 PM

Jake is the most poised in the Playoffs. Don't worry about it.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:08 PM

the Cards benefited from playing against a rookie QB and the homefield crowd noise.....I'm sure the crowd noise made Ryan limited in what he could do at the line and the Cards locked onto something......game is in Carolina and Jake is a great big game QB.....we have other concerns imo, this isn't one.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:10 PM

the Cards benefited from playing against a rookie QB and the homefield crowd noise.....I'm sure the crowd noise made Ryan limited in what he could do at the line and the Cards locked onto something......game is in Carolina and Jake is a great big game QB.....we have other concerns imo, this isn't one.


Don't buy it.

Teams prepare for this sort of thing. Teams intentionally practice with simulated crowd noise in preparation for those things. It wasn't a shocker that the fans would be loud.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:11 PM

It's always a little easier on the D-line when they're at home anyway because the visiting O-tackles have to watch the ball pre snap instead of their opponent...assuming the home crowd is in full throat, that is.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:48 PM

Similar deal: In the 03 Cowboy game, Buckner caught on to Quincy Carter tipping the snap count (something he did with his hands, if I remember right) and the Panthers D-Line used it against the Cowboys offense all game.



This is common. When we routed the Gmen back in 05 our offense figured out the Defenses calls and just ripped them a new one. Players are smart and waching film dose help with this but a coach should be smarter then to think they can get away with it.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:51 PM

The Cards definitely saw something about how Ryan snapped the ball to get a jump on. It wasn't all because of crowd noise. Several times the ends jumped offsides right as the ball was being snapped. They clearly weren't doing this because of crowd noise. They saw something.

However, my biggest beef was the defensive tackle lined up off sides on every single freaking play and not once did the refs call him on it.



It was the fact that they could not get Turner going and more then likely they had to do this cause of crowd noise. Remember when we were in Minn and they Vikes used it ageist us.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:54 PM

It seemed to me they were offsides a couple of times and it wasn't called. The refs better get that right this weekend.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:54 PM

Don't buy it.

Teams prepare for this sort of thing. Teams intentionally practice with simulated crowd noise in preparation for those things. It wasn't a shocker that the fans would be loud.


the loud crowed noise did assist the Cards in jumping the snap imo and again, that will be taken away from them in a road game. Not worried about them jumping the snap.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 02:29 PM

Isn't Jake pretty good at faking the count in ways to pull the other team offsides? I mean, he's obviously good at getting our guys to false start a lot, so one would assume...

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 02:48 PM

I read that thread as well on the AFMB. It wasn't snap count so much as things he did. I can''t remember specifics, but he'd raise his head or something if it was going to be....oh something - and he'd keep his head one way if he was going too do something else.

I wasn't paying much attention to the thread, but I would not be a bit surprised if they ended up reading something into what his actions were.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 02:53 PM

From the new Observer's Panthers blog for the playoffs, Panther Tracks:

(Update from St. Onge, 2:38 p.m.: A clue to the Cards' success on D? Defensive end Betrand Berry told Dan Patrick on his radio show today that Atlanta QB Matt Ryan didn't change his snap count all game Saturday. The Cards were able to time the snaps and get a great jump off the line, Berry said,


Not the kind of thing your coach wants you telling the nation - and your next opponent.)


full blog: http://obsnfl.blogsp...al-trouble.html

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:01 PM

It's always a little easier on the D-line when they're at home anyway because the visiting O-tackles have to watch the ball pre snap instead of their opponent...assuming the home crowd is in full throat, that is.


The Carolina way is to distract the opponent with our flawless execution of the wave.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:04 PM

From the new Observer's Panthers blog for the playoffs, Panther Tracks:



full blog: http://obsnfl.blogsp...al-trouble.html


That's really unbelievable. Not that I don't believe it, I just don't believe that a coach wouldn't say something about that or Ryan wouldn't have the presence of mind to realize that something wasn't working. Even still, as an offensive lineman, i'd get pissed if my QB kept calling the same snap count. It takes away one of the advantages an offensive lineman needs to get off the ball faster than the defense.


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