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#31 rainwater

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:05 PM

It was the fact that they could not get Turner going and more then likely they had to do this cause of crowd noise. Remember when we were in Minn and they Vikes used it ageist us.


Actually, it appears the issue was the center was giving away the snap count in the Atl/Ari game.

#32 rainwater

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:05 PM

Jake is the most poised in the Playoffs. Don't worry about it.


Poise has nothing to do with giving away the snap count.

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:16 PM

Looks like the bloggers were correct.

http://sportsillustr...tml?eref=fromSI

#34 Darth Biscuit

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:32 PM

Just saw that same info on PFT... it's amazing to me that Ryan and/or the ATL coaches didn't pick up on that and change???

Edited by nc_biscuit, 05 January 2009 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:36 PM

Just saw that same info on PFT... it's amazing to me that Ryan and or the ATL coached didn't pick up on that and change???


Me too.

#36 Go To Girl

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:38 PM

What I found was when this was first posted on the AFMB, just some guy who was watching the game on TV picked up on it and asked - did anyone notice that he was doing this. Must have been a piece of cake for trained defenses to pick up on it.

#37 CosmoGirl

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:58 PM

Oh no, I remember that, too. Still don't know if it's true, but I can't imagine a pro-level coach not having the mind to vary a snap count. It's simple and something done even at the middle school level. I was talking about the person who said that the Falcons were going on the same snap count because Ryan was a rookie. I don't buy for a minute that they were going on the same sound all game. I do buy, however, that they Cards may have seen something in film (like him leaning back as Pumpkin Eater says) or something of that nature.

If Henning was going on the same snap every down maybe that's why his butt was fired :D

But is it not the QB's responsibility to designate the snap count?


Here ya go. Henning had them go on one every play.

http://www.thehuddle...ID=5&portID=541

PLAYER/PERSONNEL NOTES

--The snap count was "one" for every Carolina Panthers offensive play last season under former offensive coordinator Dan Henning, according to veteran guard Mike Wahle.

That will change this year as offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson takes over and continues to mix things up and challenge his offensive players to think and react.

"Our snap count isn't on one every play anymore, so guys aren't just going to just tee off on the same snap count over and over again," said Wahle, who seemed very pleased with the change in philosophy.

Although that may seem like a minor detail, Wahle believes it help keep the defense a little more back on its heels.

"You can minimalize that as much as you want but that's a big deal for offensive linemen," Wahle said. "Keeping those guys guessing and the fact that we're not coming off with the same drive block every time helps."

When asked why Henning decided to go on one for the snap count, Wahle let that question pass, saying, "I'm not going to go into that. That was the way it was and there's nothing you can do about it."

Wahle admitted Davidson's offense is more complex as a whole than Henning's, but said it's nothing the players can't handle.

"The complexity is only going to help us," Wahle said. "It takes a little more time in your playbook, but it's only going to help us."

#38 neverlosethefeeling

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 04:05 PM

Here ya go. Henning had them go on one every play.

http://www.thehuddle...ID=5&portID=541

PLAYER/PERSONNEL NOTES

--The snap count was "one" for every Carolina Panthers offensive play last season under former offensive coordinator Dan Henning, according to veteran guard Mike Wahle.

That will change this year as offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson takes over and continues to mix things up and challenge his offensive players to think and react.

"Our snap count isn't on one every play anymore, so guys aren't just going to just tee off on the same snap count over and over again," said Wahle, who seemed very pleased with the change in philosophy.

Although that may seem like a minor detail, Wahle believes it help keep the defense a little more back on its heels.

"You can minimalize that as much as you want but that's a big deal for offensive linemen," Wahle said. "Keeping those guys guessing and the fact that we're not coming off with the same drive block every time helps."

When asked why Henning decided to go on one for the snap count, Wahle let that question pass, saying, "I'm not going to go into that. That was the way it was and there's nothing you can do about it."

Wahle admitted Davidson's offense is more complex as a whole than Henning's, but said it's nothing the players can't handle.

"The complexity is only going to help us," Wahle said. "It takes a little more time in your playbook, but it's only going to help us."


Good call. Thanks for that.

I'm dumbfounded by that, though.

My high school football team didn't even go on the same snap count.
Guess that's why he's the former OC :)

#39 rainwater

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 04:08 PM

Looks like the bloggers were correct.

http://sportsillustr...tml?eref=fromSI


Just to be clear, you can't believe a word any player says. With the information they obtained or learned themselves, they will never tell anyone exactly what they saw that told them the snap count. All teams have information on QBs and centers that they use to try to guess snap counts. But they are very careful about ever releasing this info so it can't help other teams or so the team doesn't make adjustments.

#40 monstercat

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 04:29 PM

Reading that old article reminds me of just how glad I am that we have Wharton at LG and Kalil at center...not to mention big Otah at RT. I hope to God that young man is ready to go come Saturday night.

#41 goodoleboy

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 05:38 PM

When asked why Henning decided to go on one for the snap count, Wahle let that question pass, saying, "I'm not going to go into that. That was the way it was and there's nothing you can do about it."


Henning:

Because these big fat dumb asses jump offside if we go on anything else.



#42 Sword

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 05:56 PM

It's no wonder the Ravens victimized Pennington all game then..

#43 dham278

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 06:08 PM

Chances are, if it's made it to the message board then it's made it to a coaches meeting and practice. The last thing we need around here is something like this to hide behind if the offense doesn't work as well as it could


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