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Posted 23 March 2010 - 12:49 PM

With ObamaCARE now passed, containing the Cornhusker Kickback, Gator-Aid, the Lousiana Purchase, and other shady deals, Investors Business Daily gives up 20 ways that ObamaCARE will take away our freedoms. IBD’s sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill which takes out the Cornhusker Kickback and Gator-Aid as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 © (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 101 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a country where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) ©).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (B)).

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (B)).

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (B) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).


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#2 ncbobcat

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:08 PM

But I thought this bill was beneficial to everyone? Ooops, I guess Obama lied to me again.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:08 PM

Look everyone i can copy and paste propaganda. All the while having a avatar picture of the fricking Branch Davidians burning. WOW.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:09 PM

ON A SPORTS FORUM. An avatar like that WTF?

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:22 PM

With ObamaCARE now passed, containing the Cornhusker Kickback, Gator-Aid, the Lousiana Purchase, and other shady deals, Investors Business Daily gives up 20 ways that ObamaCARE will take away our freedoms. IBD’s sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill which takes out the Cornhusker Kickback and Gator-Aid as displayed by the Rules Committee.


It's important to make sure that you don't say two different things in your opening statement before you try and sell all your other bullshit.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:23 PM

Of course these people all have better ways to spend money than on health care for their employees. They are called golf weekends and mistresses.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:25 PM

ON A SPORTS FORUM. An avatar like that WTF?


Government sponsored murder. You can trust them. Ask Randy Weaver, the survivors of Mount Carmel, Native Americans, etc...

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:26 PM

My husband was young and healthy, but fortunately was smart enough to have health insurance that paid the million dollar plus bill that we had when he was hit by a someone driving a truck that was so drunk that he ran off the road while my husband was mowing the grass and ran over him. That was over 20 years ago - I'd hate to think what the bill would be now.


That's as far as I got in your list.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:27 PM

As Cat's friend there would say, "Tough".

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:30 PM

$750 for a business. Yeah, that's a real death penalty.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:38 PM

I just don't know how they can survive it.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:46 PM

So 90% of your post is how the reform is costing the POOR insurance companies and Medical MOGULS. How they will have to go to a oversight board to raise premiums instead of just being able to do it. Or the stripper and housewives of OC tax. How dare the government charge a luxury tax on elective cosmetic surgery. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. Yeah real tough for those college student slackers that are attempting to better themselves but CAN NOT AFFORD healthcare YET. The entire wording and argument of this asinine propaganda is SOUR GRAPES. It is passed and the majority of the public will benefit. Just like the job bills and unemployment extension. The Republicans will spout about financial responsibility's while at the same time passing a tax cut for the richest that was never paid for and the funding of a unjustified war.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 01:55 PM

So 90% of your post is how the reform is costing the POOR insurance companies and Medical MOGULS. How they will have to go to a oversight board to raise premiums instead of just being able to do it. Or the stripper and housewives of OC tax. How dare the government charge a luxury tax on elective cosmetic surgery. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. Yeah real tough for those college student slackers that are attempting to better themselves but CAN NOT AFFORD healthcare YET. The entire wording and argument of this asinine propaganda is SOUR GRAPES. It is passed and the majority of the public will benefit. Just like the job bills and unemployment extension. The Republicans will spout about financial responsibility's while at the same time passing a tax cut for the richest that was never paid for and the funding of a unjustified war.


It's not about republicans vs democrats. They are the same thing. No doubt in my mind if W had proposed this we would have the same effect, republicans wanting it passed and dems strongly opposing it. Your government has decided what is best for you. You are not a freeman. You are a slave. Soon you will be getting your biometric id that they will use to track you at all times. But they know what is best, right? You will do exactly as your master says.

Truth is treason in the empire of lies.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 02:10 PM

OMG. You are looney tunes.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 02:12 PM

OMG. You are looney tunes.


You have no idea. Now keep jiving and shucking.


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