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#46 chris999

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:31 AM

On BPA, it's really simple. They identify the primary areas of need, and look for BPA from those positions. However, if nobody of value is available at one of those positions they will go general BPA, particularly if someone they had rated significantly higher falls in their laps (i.e. Kalil and Connor).

As for Jarrett, throughout this off-season, I have felt that he will surprise quite a few people next year. However, after reading between the lines of what Smitty, Fox, and Hurney have recently said about him, I am no longer sure I was correct. The impression I am now left with is that despite everyone really wanting and needing him to step up, nobody is confident that he will. I get the feeling they think he can, but not that he will. IMO, that speaks volumes about how they perceive his work ethic and dedication. So, I think we have to approach things as if he will not step up. That way, if he does, we get bonus points, but are not left holding an empty bag if he disappoints again.


i agree. they look at BPA in a position oif need. this year, we need a WR a DE and a LB. when we are on the clock, they will take the best availible player at any of those positions. if they feel like the are reaching too far, then they disregaurd the position, and just take the best football player availible like they did wioth connor or kalil.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 06:57 AM

Eh, we needed a Safety for years. They drafted one and turned him into a Linebacker. Then they finally took a cornerback and converted him to Safety.

Don't be too sure they'll take a receiver early, especially if they have to reach for him. They'll take a DE or LB first. Or The Golden Calf of Bristol... :)

#48 Khyber53

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 07:24 AM

It has a lot to do with where we have picked throughout the Fox era. His first draft netted us early picks (thanks to the 1-15 year). Since then, however, we've had picks in the mid to late part of the first rounds.
That first season, Julius Peppers was a no-brainer pick, the obvious cream of the crop. And that happens every year, the real cream of the crop goes in the first seven picks or so. The others then have to hope that who is first on their draft board is still available or that someone even better falls to them.
From a fan's perspective, we try and pick by position. It makes a lot of sense to us and that is how the sports news guys go about it. Maycock and others all tout this lineman or that receiver.
Some teams always pick this way. They are generally losers and chasers. You know, teams like the Lions, Raiders and Browns that can never seem to put it together and always dwell at the bottom of the heap. Or the Chasers like the Cowboys or Redskins that are always trying to fill a spot of weakness on last year's team as they keep chasing after the respectability their teams had in yesteryear. They are always trying to fix last year's team and that really doesn't work. (These teams usually are getting strong pushes on picks/acquisitions from the ownership rather than the coaching staff.) They get a bit of tunnelvision as they tinker with last year's team, forgetting that you can't go back and recreate history but instead think forward and plan ahead.
Then you come to a team like the Panthers. This is a contender team, built to challenge for the top positions. It doesn't feature a big name game-breaker (Peyton Manning, the LT of old, Brett Favre, Michael Vick of old, etc...) around which to hang the framework of a SuperBowl bound team. Instead, it relies on a team concept.
Sometimes these Concept Teams really, really work well. The past decade's New England Patriots or the San Francisco 49ers of the '80s/early '90s are fine examples, as are the Steelers of the 1970s, Browns of the 1950s or the Packers of the '60s. The team has an identity, a style of play (West Coast offense, smash mouth, etc...) and players are picked to fit into that mold. A Concept Team might pass on a great receiver to pick up a guard that fits their style better, making picks that leave some "experts" saying how "interesting" that particular choice is. Once the pick is made, it makes perfect sense, but it's hard to predict these without taking the time to go deep into analysis of that team's potentials.
So, back to Carolina. We're a concept team and a contender. We're at worst, middle of the pack in the Fox era and at best a Super Bowl contender. The concept is a smash-mouth running team featuring limited deep strike passing and a bend-don't break defense. In other words, a classic conservative football team. As such, we need strong line support on the offense, strong running backs and our defensive strength starts at the linebackers and then moves to the DL. More than anything, it requires players that can take multiple roles and responsibilities. Brutes for the linemen, cannonballs for the running backs, daredevils for linebackers. If one of those is available when Carolina comes to pick, they will be taken over any positional athlete, no matter the skillset. If one of those three is not available, then the best available athlete is taken, preferably a smart one with strong ethics. The best athlete can then be molded into what the team concept needs -- i.e. Thomas Davis safety to linebacker or Steve Smith KR to WR.
So who will we pick? Heck if I know. Too many teams go before us, but I am betting that it will either be a lineman if one of the tops is still available, or they will move to a hybrid-type player who could fill multiple roles. Strange to say, but if The Golden Calf of Bristol is available, they may take him for the potential of the QB or receiver, whatever the long term needs of the team concept dictate. Or you might see an Armanti Edwards sneak in.

Edited by Khyber53, 28 March 2010 - 07:38 AM.


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Posted 28 March 2010 - 10:09 AM

I want you to answer me a few questions

If the BPA theory is B.S. then why did we select Ryan Kalil in the 2nd round?

or

Why did we select Dan Connor in 3rd when it wasn't a need?

To answer your question, THEY WERE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE

so to say that WR is our only option is pretty flawed, if there is a player at a position that is undoubtably better then any talent alone then they will take a risk... to some extent.

If you really want to base it off of needs then our weak point is at the QB position because all we have behind Moore is Hunter Cantwell, who has been on the practice squad up to the point where Jake "went down" and they had to elevate him. No McCown, No Feeley, and No Jake... Where is the depth?

One could argue that we have no depth at WR too, however, I am inclined to say that we atleast have a little depth there with Jarrett and Moore. Am I saying that they either of them will make an impact? Not at all but to me it seems to me it would be logical, from the team's standpoint, to take a position other then WR.

Also, if they select a QB, keep in mind that we already have a clear starter going into camp and his name is Matt Moore so it isn't like a rookie QB will start whereas a rookie receiver may have to start beside Smitty because there is no clear #2 as of yet.

So pretty much what I am trying to tell you is that there is no way in telling who Fox and Hurney will select but I wouldn't rule out other positions because you think they are not a need.

Just my two cents...


Yea but we also drafted Davis in the first round when Derek Johnson was on the board. He was the highest ranked lb. We picked gamble when other CBs were ranked higher. Hell we picked Jarrett when there were higher ranked WRs on the board. So its a combo of BPA and who we want. BPA comes in the later rounds.

#50 jramsey4

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 10:37 AM

Yea but we also drafted Davis in the first round when Derek Johnson was on the board. He was the highest ranked lb. We picked gamble when other CBs were ranked higher. Hell we picked Jarrett when there were higher ranked WRs on the board. So its a combo of BPA and who we want. BPA comes in the later rounds.


Really if I recall Jarrett was projected to go in the 1st and was the highest rated player when we picked.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 10:58 AM

[quote name='Woodie']On BPA, it's really simple. They identify the primary areas of need, and look for BPA from those positions. However, if nobody of value is available at one of those positions they will go general BPA, particularly if someone they had rated significantly higher falls in their laps (i.e. Kalil and Connor).
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This is pretty much the point i was trying to make,only thing i stated different is that the bolded part of what he said normally happens with your first pick..

If they graded players on a scale of 1-10(not saying they do) but for argument sake lets say they did. And in this years draft a rb with a grade of 9.4 was available at our pick and a W.R. with a grade of 8.8 was there, they'd take the w.r

Edited by panther4life, 28 March 2010 - 11:01 AM.
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