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I don't know what this team is going to do without some average white guy playing fullback next year.

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I don't know what this team is going to do without some average white guy playing fullback next year.

they're gonna pwn, the same way they pwned the vikings, giants and saints at the end of last season. except it's gonna be even crazier cause moore will be the full time starting QB, and teams won't know how to defend steve smith, DW, j-stew, (hold your breath) and dwayne jarrett.

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That really is the issue which should debated. One player alone rarely defines a team and their loss won't doom it to fail either. Hoover was personally hurt I am sure and that is to be expected and it was a business decision. The real concern to the Panthers is really how many guys can you lose and still maintain your leadership. How many unproven guys are we looking to step up all at once. And if things go poorly like they did last year who will be there to steady the ship and keep the effort strong and consistent. Coaches readily admit they can only do so much. It takes players on the team to step up and show leadership on the field.

I really think we can weather some losses like Jake, Kemo and even Peppers. I just think that when you subtract without adding, you end up in the negative. Until we do some significant addition it will hard for me to be that optimistic. Hopefully the draft goes a long way to do that.

P55 you have been making this point in like 5 threads. How people don't understand what you are saying is disturbing. How many robots are fans of this team? "the Panthers are always right"......... "They don't make bad moves".......... "it's good too have 6-7 player you hope will step up".........

People as of today this is not a better team then the one that ended the season. Do me favor please look at the roster that finished the season and look at the roster now. Which roster has more ? and more holes too fill?

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P55 you have been making this point in like 5 threads. How people don't understand what you are saying is disturbing. How many robots are fans of this team? "the Panthers are always right"......... "They don't make bad moves".......... "it's good too have 6-7 player you hope will step up".........

People as of today this is not a better team then the one that ended the season. Do me favor please look at the roster that finished the season and look at the roster now. Which roster has more ? and more holes too fill?

of course they dont. he is just like us a "doom sayer". anyone who doesnt think this is the best ever is not a fan of this team:rolleyes:

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P55 you have been making this point in like 5 threads. How people don't understand what you are saying is disturbing. How many robots are fans of this team? "the Panthers are always right"......... "They don't make bad moves".......... "it's good too have 6-7 player you hope will step up".........

People as of today this is not a better team then the one that ended the season. Do me favor please look at the roster that finished the season and look at the roster now. Which roster has more ? and more holes too fill?

You are obviously one of the few who have noticed. I don't think any one move taken by itself is bad in and of itself. And every year there are guys who had to step up and assume bigger roles. I just can't remember a time when we were counting on so many guys having to simultaneously step up at the same time and all perform at a high level. That doesn't even count the 8 or 9 guys who will have to come in and replace the backups who are now starters. That means a total of 18 or more guys will assume starter roles or make significant contributions. With many of these new starters having little starting experience it means we will have guys backing them up who will be expected to come in yet have no playing experience in the NFL at all.

I expect guys like Beason, Harris, Gross, and Smitty will do their best to provide leadership but they can't do it alone or make other players perform at the same level that they do by sheer willpower.

And all of this assumes we don't have a spate of injuries and have to bring in more guys to make up for any that get hurt or IRed.

I am very concerned that we are setting ourselves up to struggle. I also think that the FO knows it and frankly are willing to struggle all while denying the problems as they raise ticket prices across the board.

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You are obviously one of the few who have noticed. I don't think any one move taken by itself is bad in and of itself. And every year there are guys who had to step up and assume bigger roles. I just can't remember a time when we were counting on so many guys having to simultaneously step up at the same time and all perform at a high level. That doesn't even count the 8 or 9 guys who will have to come in and replace the backups who are now starters. That means a total of 18 or more guys will assume starter roles or make significant contributions. With many of these new starters having little starting experience it means we will have guys backing them up who will be expected to come in yet have no playing experience in the NFL at all.

I expect guys like Beason, Harris, Gross, and Smitty will do their best to provide leadership but they can't do it alone or make other players perform at the same level that they do by sheer willpower.

And all of this assumes we don't have a spate of injuries and have to bring in more guys to make up for any that get hurt or IRed.

I am very concerned that we are setting ourselves up to struggle. I also think that the FO knows it and frankly are willing to struggle all while denying the problems as they raise ticket prices across the board.

I totally agree...never would I have thought the day :P

While I agree with the "youth movement", I don't agree with how we plan to solve majority of our problems this offseason. We plan to solve them from the draft I.E. rookies with our limited picks and patch everything else we miss through FA (after the draft).

As for the bolded...I had this theory :lol:

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I don't know what this team is going to do without some average white guy playing fullback next year.

you can argue Hoover has been the best blocking RB in the game the past 2 seasons. Most teams don't use the FB anymore like that...Carolina does. Hoover would be the best option if winning in 2010 was the top priority....Carolina is looking long term and since winning isn't the #1 goal this year.....they want the reps going to who possibly will be playing when winning is the #1 goal again.

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you can argue Hoover has been the best blocking RB in the game the past 2 seasons. Most teams don't use the FB anymore like that...Carolina does. Hoover would be the best option if winning in 2010 was the top priority....Carolina is looking long term and since winning isn't the #1 goal this year.....they want the reps going to who possibly will be playing when winning is the #1 goal again.

Once again...cutting a god damn Fullback is no reason to believe we aren't looking to improve this team and moving ahead with the younger talent to take the vets place just like we drafted them for. If you are losing hope for next season due to getting rid of a Fullback, go root for another team. If i recall, no team in the history of the NFL had all of their success riding on their Fullback.

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did you guys think we drafted top talent in recent drafts just for them to sit behind aging vets 1-3 more years and therefore taking away years off thier playing career with us? Use your top talent now. Get all that you can from them. Dont waste 1-2 years keeping them behind agint vets like D'Will was behind Foster because those years could be valuable to us down the road.

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did you guys think we drafted top talent in recent drafts just for them to sit behind aging vets 1-3 more years and therefore taking away years off thier playing career with us? Use your top talent now. Get all that you can from them. Dont waste 1-2 years keeping them behind agint vets like D'Will was behind Foster because those years could be valuable to us down the road.

every year brings top talent. so do you get rid of everyone every year to keep this talent? People mistake what the fo is doing as a philosophy of doing things when in fact is is a TACTIC. if this was they way they did things they would have done this more than once.

it is as simple yes or no question. if i told you a team unloaded their entire dline and replaced them with guys with a culmative 1-1 1/2 year of starting experience (even if they have shown flashes) would you say that that team was better off for the upcoming season?

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every year brings top talent. so do you get rid of everyone every year to keep this talent? People mistake what the fo is doing as a philosophy of doing things when in fact is is a TACTIC. if this was they way they did things they would have done this more than once.

it is as simple yes or no question. if i told you a team unloaded their entire dline and replaced them with guys with a culmative 1-1 1/2 year of starting experience (even if they have shown flashes) would you say that that team was better off for the upcoming season?

If you're top talent exceeds the aging vet, then yes get rid of the aging vet.

Lewis: Overrated by fans. Good in rotation, but not so good as a starter. He wasn't going back to being a rotational guy.

Kemo: Way overrated by the fans. Was only good for standing in one place.

We have guys like Tank Tyler and Louis Leonard that showed signs that they could get the job done and better than those two.

Peppers: was our best d-lineman, but didn't want to stay. We have Charles Johnson and first rounder Everette Brown to take his place. We will be fine.

Diggs: Was solid but we have either James Anderson, who has shown he can be just as solid, or Dan Connor (who was the leading tackler for Penn State) that could also be just as solid if not better.

Hoover: Was solid but we drafted the best FB in 2009 draft last year to take his spot.

It's not the end of the world people.

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If you're top talent exceeds the aging vet, then yes get rid of the aging vet.

Lewis: Overrated by fans. Good in rotation, but not so good as a starter. He wasn't going back to being a rotational guy.

Kemo: Way overrated by the fans. Was only good for standing in one place.

We have guys like Tank Tyler and Louis Leonard that showed signs that they could get the job done and better than those two.

Peppers: was our best d-lineman, but didn't want to stay. We have Charles Johnson and first rounder Everette Brown to take his place. We will be fine.

Diggs: Was solid but we have either James Anderson, who has shown he can be just as solid, or Dan Connor (who was the leading tackler for Penn State) that could also be just as solid if not better.

Hoover: Was solid but we drafted the best FB in 2009 draft last year to take his spot.

It's not the end of the world people.

Problem is that with the exception of Anderson and Connor being better than Diggs, the aging veterans were better than the up and coming guys.

When Kemo went out Lewis was our best interior linemen by far. He had 41 tackles and would have had a few more sacks if Kemo were in there. Kemo never got much penetration but was largely unmovable and anchored our run defense. When he wasn't in there we were instantly poorer against the run. Meanwhile Louis played one game and went on IR from which he is still recovering and Tyler played in 6 games averaging a tackle a game. And yet they are an upgrade over Kemo and Lewis. Yeah right................

And seriously while Johnson has potential, he couldn't even beat Brayton to start let alone be anything close to replacing Peppers. And Brown needs to get bigger and stronger. He will be fine for short bursts but won't hold up against guys 20-30 lbs bigger than him on every play. He is a long way from being a Dwight Freeney clone. Together they are a long way from replacing Peppers.

And seriously you really beleive Fiametta who played in 10 games and ending up getting injured with a serious concussion is an upgrade to Hoover who played in 11 games and who was sidelined with backspasms and missed significant games for the first time in his career.

And that doesn't even include guys like Moose who we have no clue how we will replace him. Oh thats right Jarrett is an upgrade or that receiver yet to be drafted. Yeah we are great at drafting receivers.

Everyone can believe what they want and I wont go back and forth all day since your mind is made up. But that is more than just trying to blow sunshine up our butts, that borders on insulting our football intelligence.

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