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#1 Mr. Scot

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:12 PM

From PFT: Todd McShay backlash builds

The basics...

Todd McShay sucks and everybody hates him (heck, some would suggest even Mel Kiper hates him).

They used to hate Kiper ("Who in the hell is Mel Kiper Jr?" - Bill Tobin, then Colts GM) but they respect him now because he works his hair off and has earned it.

Mike Mayock is the best in the business.


Not sure how many here would remember the late Joel Buchsbaum, but he wrote Pro Football Weekly's draft coverage for years and was on target far more often than not. I'd crown him king of the draftniks, were he still alive. He died relatively young.

(occurs to me I perhaps should have put this in the draft forum)

Edited by Mr Scot, 31 March 2010 - 12:24 PM.


#2 Cracka McNasty

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 12:50 PM

i like mcshay better than kiper jr.

Kiper just has a face that pisses me off.

having said that though, I think they both suck at their jobs.

Edited by Cracka McNasty, 31 March 2010 - 12:54 PM.


#3 Darth Biscuit

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:21 PM

Kiper and McShay are both arrogant assholes... at least that's the way the come across on ESPN... and ESPN plays up their animosity... it's stupid.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:38 PM

mayock is only guy I would never doubt. All the other analysts just don't do enough homework to really have a respectable opinion.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 01:44 PM

My rankings:

1. Mayock
2. McShay, who I actually like
3. NFLDraftCountdown.com dude
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84,826,861,081,728. Mel Kiper Jr.

My problem with Kiper is how little he studies the teams and their actual needs and compares that to their history, one example is the insistence that the Panthers were a dead lock to draft Greg Olsen while the rest if us knew there was a minimal, if any chance of that happening.

#6 Nicbsbll2

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 02:29 PM

Here's the real question: if they're actually Draft experts then why are they working for ESPN instead of an NFL team?

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 02:33 PM

mayock is only guy I would never doubt. All the other analysts just don't do enough homework to really have a respectable opinion.


Mayock said that Mendenhall and McFadden would both be better than Jonathan Stewart...Since then I have questioned him.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 03:51 PM

Mayock said that Mendenhall and McFadden would both be better than Jonathan Stewart...Since then I have questioned him.

I aslo liked the Fightin Illini more than J-Stew :idea:

In their behalf, their Olines sucks.

#9 CatMan72

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 07:23 PM

The thing that gives Mayock credibility in my mind is that he can explain at a very technical level why he likes or dislikes a particular prospect. Mayock clearly understands the nuts and bolts of what makes someone good or bad.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 07:32 PM

Mayock said that Mendenhall and McFadden would both be better than Jonathan Stewart...Since then I have questioned him.


Well I'm sure he had good reasons for it. Its not like he was talking out of his ass.

#11 Mr. Scot

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:13 PM

Mayock said that Mendenhall and McFadden would both be better than Jonathan Stewart...Since then I have questioned him.

In fairness, it's hard to judge anyone's talent when they play for the Raiders.

(except JaMarcus; fat and lazy doesn't work well in any system)

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 10:14 PM

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#13 ChucktownK

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:45 PM

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#14 Urrymonster

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:46 AM

Mayock said that Mendenhall and McFadden would both be better than Jonathan Stewart...Since then I have questioned him.


Horrid horrid lies.

He was always insisting Stew was the best back in the draft and had him at the top of his draft board throughout the drafting period. The only knock, according to Mayock, was that he was injured.

Many struggled to believe him that McFadden was not the best back, yet he always pointed out that Stewart finished his runs, whereas McFaden invariably went down on first contact.

Mendenhall he was unsure of because he only had one good year.

Not sure if you are getting Mayock confused with someone else, but he routinely stated that Stewart was the best back in the '08 draft.

#15 SmootsDaddy89

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:10 AM

Horrid horrid lies.

He was always insisting Stew was the best back in the draft and had him at the top of his draft board throughout the drafting period. The only knock, according to Mayock, was that he was injured.

Many struggled to believe him that McFadden was not the best back, yet he always pointed out that Stewart finished his runs, whereas McFaden invariably went down on first contact.

Mendenhall he was unsure of because he only had one good year.

Not sure if you are getting Mayock confused with someone else, but he routinely stated that Stewart was the best back in the '08 draft.



yeah no

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he also believed Stewart lacked game-breaking speed


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