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#1 Captroop

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:33 AM

You know all those people who got fired because of these tapes? The raw video tape cleared all California ACORN employees of any criminal wrongdoing!

I want all my conservative friends to watch the video in this link, all the way through, and let it marinate for a while. Then think about this every time you watch Fox News, (or any news in general before any of you right wingers throw out some scandal dealing with the left wing media).

Because as someone who went to Journalism school, and got a respected Journalism education, this makes me sick. The one thing a journalist is never supposed to do is misrepresent the facts. This kind of thing is what gets journalists fired at respected institutions.

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The message should come through loud and clear. If you take what you get through the mainstream media at face value, you are doomed to be a puppet of partisan politics until the day you die. Think, don't react.

And F*** FOX NEWS!

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 10:35 AM

Agree. Nice post.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:07 AM

Yeah...ACORN is so lawful.

http://robynlewis04....ony-voter-fraud
http://www.nytimes.c...us/05acorn.html
http://www.kmbc.com/...492/detail.html


Who edited THOSE articles...the horror!

#4 cookinwithgas

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:18 AM

Once again G5 swerves to avoid reality.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:20 AM

Who cares...ACORN is a POS organization and hopefully it's defunct by the next election cycle.

Why defend them.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:42 AM

Ahh, who cares, that's right. You don't like them so making things up against them is OK.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:43 AM

Of course 95 percent of what you post here is made up so I guess thats normal.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:44 AM

95% of what you write is pap

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:48 AM

The most watched news outlet in the country is blatantly misrepresenting facts to bend you to the will of their prevailing political party and to mobilize a gullible public to accomplish their desired outcomes.

If that doesn't scare or outrage you, then you have a stronger constitution than I have.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:50 AM

The most watched news outlet in the country is blatantly misrepresenting facts to bend you to the will of their prevailing political party and to mobilize a gullible public to accomplish their desired outcomes.

If that doesn't scare or outrage you, then you have a stronger constitution than I have.


:iagree:

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:51 AM

95% of what you write is pap


oh noes Iz been called out!

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 12:45 PM

Acorn Sting Tapes Edited

The message should come through loud and clear. If you take what you get through the mainstream media at face value, you are doomed to be a puppet of partisan politics until the day you die. Think, don't react.

And F*** FOX NEWS!


Ok, I just watched this entire video.

For the record, I am a registered unaffiliated voter, who has voted on both Democrat and Republican candidates over the past 4 Presidential Elections, and find merit and failure in stances taken by both parties.

To that point, I take the most objective position I can when hearing of political positions like this whole ACORN thing.

1. The introduction is a rather disrespectful and smug shot at republicans and Fox News. It fails to mention that Jerry Brown, the Attorney General who conducted the "investigation" is a big-time member of the Democratic party who served as Governer of California for 8 years, and has a long standing career of being HIGHLY biased for Left-wing policies (to the point of intolerance of the opposing parties) and is overtly critical of the Republican party. The Dead Kennedys even made a song about him called California Über Alles, where an imaginary Jerry Brown outlines a hippie-fascist vision for America enforced by a police state.

Any "investigation" brought about by his office of something so political in nature REEKS of taint and bias.

2. The first "evidence" they bring to light involves the dress of the "pimp". This is an absurd point. The criteria for being a "pimp" has jack and sh!t to do with how you dress. I could walk around in sweat pants and still be a real pimp. In fact, I have MET a Pimp that does just that. And if I confide in someone that my profession is "pimping" when the subject of employment is critical to the discussion, then the party who requires that information is obliged to react to my disclosure... not my dress. Ridiculous.

3. The next point... how the Acorn guy is "pressing" to get information from the pair and asks about phone numbers and dates of arrival for illegal immigrant prostitutes.

Rachel Maddow then says "So why is he asking for that information? Because he responsibly reported it to the police!"

So we are to assume this guy was valiantly protecting the law and lives of people he didn't even know? And he put himself in a position of offering assistance to someone admitting to planning a crime to do so?

Why didn't he call the San Diego Police himself? And why isn't the exact dates of these calls given?

Here's another possible theory.... he talked to the "pimp and ho" recording the video and offered them help. Afterwards, he called around to find out the real deal on these two. When he couldn't get any solid info that they were for-real criminals, or maybe even found out they were clean... he suspected a something, and he called his cop-cousin to make it look like he was doing the right thing, and the cop-cousin did his part.

This is hardly damnable evidence for the video, and doesn't justify Maddow's later statement that these unedited videos "Clear" the person of any wrong-doing.

The bottom line: He offered assistance to admitted law-breakers to commit a crime. If he was "responsibly" doing his job, then he wouldn't have terminated the conversation as soon as they admitted their profession.

4. The last point... how the Acorn employee encouraged the two to start a "child prostitution business"

BOTH Foxnews and MSNBC are guilty of creative editing. Fox edited out the "housing" comment, yes. But if you watch the ENTIRE video HERE...



You will see that Ms. Stuart is HARDLY innocently encouraging an admitted prostitute to find a place to live.

If you watch it, at 2:40, the Pimp guy starts explaining that they are going to use the house for underage sex prostitution, and SHE OFFERS TO DO RESEARCH FOR THEM ON HOW TO GET MONEY TO GET THE HOUSE. SHE ALSO GOES ON FOR TWO MINUTES OFFERING HELP THEM GET CONTACTS IN THE PORNO BUSINESS SHE ALREADY KNOWS.

Yes... Fox news edited the video. They only highlighed a part of the conversation. But did they MISREPRESENT the video? Nope. They explained the video accurately.

What did MSNBC claim? That Ms. Stuart wasn't helping a Sex Business. Wait... huh? Maybe MSNBC didn't have the whole video? That's it...

BULLSH!T. They are spinning the video to attack Foxnews.

So... who is guilty of the creative edits here? Both are, but one is doing it for shock factor (Foxnews), and one is doing it for libel (MSNBC) and to push an agenda.

Your title says these tapes are BS, and not to take mainstream media at face value. But you're "evidence" is doing that exact thing.

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 08 April 2010 - 01:02 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:08 PM

1. You're right. She should have mentioned the Dead Kennedys in her story.

2. The attire is significant because of how these two media whores were parading around in their pimp and ho costumes in the video, suggesting that they went to ACORN looking like that, and going on the news in the same attire, saying they were dressed like that.

3. Yes, that's very possible. And a very engrossing narrative. You should write short fiction.

4. But we've seen that. We know what they said, no one is questioning that, it was on Fox 24 hours a day. What was news was the video we hadn't seen. Accuracy means full disclosure. Omitting facts is the same as lying in Journalism. Fox News lied. The end.

And in general, I'm not definding ACORN. I am attacking Fox's biased reporting, which in this case got a lot of people fired, and shut down a huge organization that, although full of corruption (show me one company that isn't if you dig deep enough) had an organizational mission with the best intentions that was targeted because of base political ideological differences.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:41 PM

1. You're right. She should have mentioned the Dead Kennedys in her story.


The issue here is "credibility". Maddows ENTIRE video attacks these videos CREDIBILITY.

Yet her source lacks credibilty. Bias destroys credibility.

2. The attire is significant because of how these two media whores were parading around in their pimp and ho costumes in the video, suggesting that they went to ACORN looking like that, and going on the news in the same attire, saying they were dressed like that.


No it doesn't. If I fill out a loan application and put "Self-Employed Pimp" on the employment line, the loan officer has an obligation to stop the application ON THE SPOT, no matter what the attire I have on. It's just absurd to try and make a point out of this.

3. Yes, that's very possible. And a very engrossing narrative. You should write short fiction.


Isn't it? And very likely too.

But again, the fact remains this person, who is not in law enforcement, offered help to criminals, THEN tried to report them. His intent as to why is unprovable, and suspect.

4. But we've seen that. We know what they said, no one is questioning that, it was on Fox 24 hours a day. What was news was the video we hadn't seen. Accuracy means full disclosure.


There are only 45,000 views of that video on Youtube. I'd wager MOST people have NOT watched the whole thing, and are only listening to the 15 minute reporting that the media outlets have done on this.

Which is probably why Fox made the edits. Most people aren't going to sit there and research something like this. So, they condensed it.

EDIT and P.S. > The video I linked includes every second of "unseen" video that Maddow played. You have to keep watching though. It very clearly shows he communicates the intention to use the housing as a pedophile sex brothel, and THATS when Ms. Stuart begins to offer all manner of "assistance".

Omitting facts is the same as lying in Journalism. Fox News lied. The end.


Applying your criteria, Maddow is even more guilty of this than FN. The end.

And in general, I'm not definding ACORN.


Claiming the videos are BS (your subject title) suggests otherwise.

I am attacking Fox's biased reporting, which in this case got a lot of people fired, and shut down a huge organization that, although full of corruption (show me one company that isn't if you dig deep enough) [had an organizational mission with the best intentions that was targeted because of base political ideological differences.


First off, I'll agree Fox News is biased as hell. You're right on there.

But that same bias is EVERYWHERE in mainstream media. They just happen to be biased on the other end of the spectrum. You can't take ANY mainstream media at face value.

In THIS particular case, I'd say the argument against them is extremely thin, and only introduces hypocrisy.

Had there only been one or two of these videos, I'd say the work these two did was not worthwhile. But these they compiled a dozen or more videos where the same story repeated itself across the country. Many of the people in the sting admitted to helping others in the same line of business in the past. Obviously, it was going on on a large enough scale, that this guy and girl found out about it, concocted the sting idea, and had repeated success from coast to coast.

Based on that... I think their work was well conceived, as it exposed a Federally funded organization as being an outlet for illegal activities and undermining the law.

If you are upset with that, I can't help but think that personal bias is a heavy influence... which... destroys... credibility.

Edited by blackcatgrowl, 08 April 2010 - 03:19 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2010 - 01:50 PM

Ugh. That's a lot of words.

Don't take my lack of a point-for-point response as admission that you have won this argument. But I am at work and have a fair amount to do. This debate will have to be put on a temporary hiatus.

To be continued. Where is CWG to fill in the pat answers from Left wing bias while I'm away?


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