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correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't matt moore behind josh mccown in the depth chart last year? has there ever been another time a quarterback has went from the 3rd string to starter in one year and had success? i'm not well versed in nfl history.

i could see how a qb could be promoted like that if the 2nd string qb was really old and about to retire anyway, but mccown was relatively young. if moore is really as good as we all hope, how could he have been overlooked by our coaches? if he has a lot of success this year, i think this would be the biggest oversight since steve smith was on the bench in 2001.

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Fox did not like him. Not him as in the player in him, but the person. In this ball club you need both. Moore owns McCown, if we are talking player wise, but Mccown might have more values. Also Fox theory is horrible with qbs, mccown had experience moore didn't, that alone put him at #3 in Fox's program.

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well, he was also undrafted and cut from cowboys roster. does he have some kind of major personal issues which i am totally unaware of? i don't really need to know what they are. a "yes" or "no" would suffice.

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Fox did not like him. Not him as in the player in him, but the person. In this ball club you need both.

It wasn't Fox didn't like him, it wasn't personality at all. Fox was reported by others to have said that Moore was not a football guy, in other words questioned his committment and work ethic.

Plus the OP was mistaken. When McCown was put on IR at the beginning of the season, Moore was listed second on the depth chart. Feeley was listed as third most of the year.

Has it happened before? Wasn't Flacco listed as number 3 in 2008 for Balitimore but started due to injuries to the other 2 guys?? He has done pretty well. I am sure there have been others.

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He's just a laid-back California kid... that personality doesn't mesh well with John Fox.

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It wasn't Fox didn't like him, it wasn't personality at all. Fox was reported by others to have said that Moore was not a football guy, in other words questioned his committment and work ethic.

Either way that's the problem with Fox. Trying to figure out if Matt is this or that, questioning his work ethics, all the while just too busy doing all this to realize he is winning games. Looking more at the person and not so much at the numbers is what it seem to come down to.

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well, he was also undrafted and cut from cowboys roster. does he have some kind of major personal issues which i am totally unaware of? i don't really need to know what they are. a "yes" or "no" would suffice.

They didn't cut him -- they tried to keep him on the practice squad and we claimed him off waivers.

I remember his teammates praising Moore back in 2007 for his ability to lead the team and his poise under pressure. I sincerely think Fox's refusal to start Moore has more to do with his allegiance to Delhomme (and vets in general) than it did any character issues Moore might have.

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He's just a laid-back California kid... that personality doesn't mesh well with John Fox.

Laid back and slack are not even close. Peyton Manning is said to be laid back but his work ethic is legendary. That was an excuse made up on this message board to blame Fox for Moore's poor work ethic last year. Something Moore has apparently been working hard to correct this year from reports.

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well, he was also undrafted and cut from cowboys roster. does he have some kind of major personal issues which i am totally unaware of? i don't really need to know what they are. a "yes" or "no" would suffice.

not really true.

he was undrafted, yes, but the cowboys had 3 QBs but only wanted 2 on the 53 man roster...tony romo (starter), and brad johnson (cagey old vet who could step in if romo went down). they tried sneaking moore on the practice squad but panthers nabbed him. only thing that moore had going against him was experience.

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Either way that's the problem with Fox. Trying to figure out if Matt is this or that, questioning his work ethics, all the while just too busy doing all this to realize he is winning games. Looking more at the person and not so much at the numbers is what it seem to come down to.

I disagree. It is up to the player to show the coach what he can do and that he is prepared to take over. That means showing up and giving 100%, spending extra time in the film room and being a leader every minute of the day not just on the field. Moore seems to be the exception in that he is a gamer but it not true with most guys. And even guys like Moore will find out that they will have to work even harder this year to avoid a sophomore slump after teams have plenty of game tape on him. He had no excuse given what he is being paid to not give 110%.

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I would never advocate laziness, no matter how far buried on the depth chart a player is.

With that said, I imagine Moore wouldn't be very motivated to work hard knowing that no matter how hard he worked and no matter how poorly Delhomme played, he'd never take over the starting job. Hell, it was only by injury that Moore got out there in the first place.

I think Moore felt validated by the nice salary and the starting position this year, and I think he'll prepare very differently knowing he is the unquestioned leader of this team.

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I would never advocate laziness, no matter how far buried on the depth chart a player is.

With that said, I imagine Moore wouldn't be very motivated to work hard knowing that no matter how hard he worked and no matter how poorly Delhomme played, he'd never take over the starting job. Hell, it was only by injury that Moore got out there in the first place.

I think Moore felt validated by the nice salary and the starting position this year, and I think he'll prepare very differently knowing he is the unquestioned leader of this team.

From all indications I think you are right. The Panthers have done everything to set the table for Moore including getting rid of Jake. I think he will do everything in his power to work hard and produce this year.

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