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#1 dimbee

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:35 PM

http://www.charlotte...nging-back.html

I thought this was deemed unconstitutional a couple/few years ago. Why is it now back on the table? Does a city being broke allow them to consider unconstitutional means of making money?

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#2 cookinwithgas

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:51 PM

It was unconstitutional because of the payment method to the camera supplier. Basically, a private company runs it, charges offenders on a rubber stamp by the local law enforcement, and splits the proceeds with the city/county. It's a license to make money and while it has reduced the number of serious accidents, the number of total accidents do not change, as there are more rear enders from freaked out people slamming brakes.

If they can find a way to have it run more honestly it may come back, but I sincerely hate those things.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

I thought it had something to do with the school systems... some law that passed that said that 95% of those funds had to go to the schools?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:02 PM

It was funding related -

To bring back the controversial cameras, the city would likely have to enter complex negotiations with Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools and Mecklenburg County.

The city operated the red-light cameras from 1998 to 2006, and paid a private Florida contractor about 70 percent of the revenue generated from the tickets to cover operating costs of the program. The rest of the money went to CMS.

But in 2006, the N.C. Court of Appeals ruled that 90 percent of the revenue from the program must be given to the local board of education. Faced with having to pay for the costs of the program on its own, the Charlotte City Council in 2006 voted to stop the cameras, which targeted red-light runners and speeders.

Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx, a Democrat, has proposed bringing the cameras back to improve traffic safety and as a way to help the financially struggling school system, which faces a second straight year of severe cuts and teacher layoffs due to budget shortfalls.


The operating company took too much of the money, basically.

From 1995-1998, before the cameras were installed, there were 94 angle crashes at the intersections and 258 read-end collisions. Angle crashes include crashes when a car runs a red light and hits or is hit by someone going across the intersection.

From 1998-2001, when the cameras were operating, there were 48 angle crashes and 322 read-end collisions. The higher read-end crashes may have been due to people slamming on their brakes as they approached the intersection for fear of being ticketed.

From 2006-2009, after the cameras were taken down, there were 41 angle crashes and 187 read-end crashes.


This backs up my stats which I admit I was doing from memory on the issue.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:12 PM

Yes, I hit a woman at an intersection here in Wilmington about 10 years ago because of that... I wasn't following closely at all, but it was raining a little and the light turned yellow and she slammed on brakes in front of me... I was down to about 10MPH when I hit her, but I still hit her. That was what she told me... "I didn't want to get one of them $50 red light tickets..."

The camera at that intersection was on the opposing lane... :mad2:

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:12 PM

Waste-o-money...


most of the time, the ones here in L.A. don't even work.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:33 PM

They can be beat in court. Al you need to do is make friends with the local City / County workers that maintain them.

I know, I used to be a City worker in the Trafic Dept.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:35 PM

I got one of those one time and never paid it.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:46 PM

the ones we have here also have radar in them....used to be if you were running the yellow, it would give you a speeding ticket...if it was red on the pic, you'd get both! Now they are independant of the lights...so even on green it will nail you for speeding. Nice way to make ooodles of $$$$

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

I got five of them, two of which were in Wilmington. Never paid them either.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:17 PM

the ones we have here also have radar in them....used to be if you were running the yellow, it would give you a speeding ticket...if it was red on the pic, you'd get both! Now they are independant of the lights...so even on green it will nail you for speeding. Nice way to make ooodles of $$$$


What do they consider the speed of a safe turn? Because that varies widely and is generally below the posted speed limit...

And so the question becomes, do they post the speed of a safe turn for each intersection?

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 02:51 PM

good question...I am not sure what they do with people turning....suppose the pic would clearly show it...but it wouldn't show that you stopped first! So, if you were clocked going around the corner at 20 miles per hour, chances are, you didn't stop first!


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