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#31 Lout

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:37 AM

how can you say both of those in the same post?:confused:
any wr we get probably wont make a impact this first year.


I don't believe the WR will make a "significant" impact, but I do think that a WR would make the biggest impact of any position we could possibly draft with that pick. Thanks for reading my post with a magnifying glass!

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:39 AM

having bodies doesn't make you set......DT has been one of the weakest area of this team since Jenkins left. We don't even know if we have guys on our roster that can act as a band-aid and get is through the season....NONE have proven to be starter material in Carolina.

DT is a weakness. Has been one....still is.


I agree we don't have any pro-bowl worthy DT's on the team, but my argument is that we have the depth at DT, and no depth at DE.. which automatically gives DE the priority over DT.

#33 mick eye

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:41 AM

The thing is not everyone agrees on what are our needs. I am among the contingent of folks that feel WR/KR is the primary need. I am not a big fan of taking a QB this year. The reason being this is an extremely deep draft. 4th and 5th round picks have an added chance to be solid to exceptional players. We should not use that pick on a backup QB. Marc Bulger fills two needs backup and veteran mentor. Hunter can continue to be developed as third string.

Many feel we have nearly nothing but warm bodies at DT. Some have fallen in love with players like Linval Joseph and Lamar Houston. I feel we have a solid rotation of young talent in the interior. A three man rotation at DE is not suffucient though. Brown, Brayton and Johnson need some help. I know nothing about Eric Moore.

Our depth at Linebacker is an issue for some. The reason not to use one of our first 3 picks on this is the fact we ALREADY have two third round guys competing for ONE spot. Adding yet another high pick will just add another pick wasted on the BENCH. The main trick to success in the draft is to get your picks on the field not to have high picks on the BENCH AS BACKUPS.

This is also another reason using a pick on DT is not a grand ideal. We have already added Tank with a 5th rounder this year. Louis Leonard was also acquired with a 2010 draft pick. How many picks do we need to use to address the position?

I am also a believer that Jarrett will do well this year. I also think he can take on Moose's role as possession rec. That said Kenny Moore is a 4th receiver at best and we need a legit 3rd receiver that can stretch the field across from Smith. If that draft pick can also return kicks well and average 10-15 more yrds giving Stewart and Williams consistently short fields our offense will be the most explosive it has ever been.

Adding yet another high pick at Linebacker or DT will just likely crowd out an equally talented young guy.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 10:48 AM

mick, I agree 100%. I am glad to see some other people really think about this as in depth as I do.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:12 AM

Quanity does not equal quality...period. If so, we are 6 deep at WR as well, so why do we need another? We have a second rounder at WR which trumps the 5th and 7th rounder, three-fold, in terms of value we traded for our DTs.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:22 AM

I agree we don't have any pro-bowl worthy DT's on the team, but my argument is that we have the depth at DT, and no depth at DE.. which automatically gives DE the priority over DT.


No Pro Bowl worthy? We have no guys we know are good enough to even step on the field and be average for a season. Bad depth means nothing....

If you aren't going to have a Peppers type DE....you need some pretty dang good play at the DT spots. And again, with all that depth you are talking about.....we don't even know if we have 2 that can be as good as Kemo/Lewis. We don't even know we have one good enough to start for us. And Kemo/Lewis wouldn't be good enough on a DL w/o a Peppers caliber DE.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 11:47 AM

Quanity does not equal quality...period. If so, we are 6 deep at WR as well, so why do we need another? We have a second rounder at WR which trumps the 5th and 7th rounder, three-fold, in terms of value we traded for our DTs.



Is that a 2010 2nd rounder? The 5th and 7th are 2010 picks. Our 6 WR's are
Steve Smith
Dwayne Jarrett
After this it gets kinda ugly.

Kenny Moore - 5th round cast off from the LIONS!!!
Wallace Wright - Undrafted special teams player.
Charly Martin - Undrafted cast off from the Chargers.
Dexter Jackson - 2nd round BUST. The Buccs tossed him.

With Wright and Martin more of special teams standouts and Jackson and Moore hometown refugees being salvaged from the scrap heap adding someone we feel can develop into something with a high pick is not a bad idea.

#38 mick eye

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:02 PM

No Pro Bowl worthy? We have no guys we know are good enough to even step on the field and be average for a season. Bad depth means nothing....

If you aren't going to have a Peppers type DE....you need some pretty dang good play at the DT spots. And again, with all that depth you are talking about.....we don't even know if we have 2 that can be as good as Kemo/Lewis. We don't even know we have one good enough to start for us. And Kemo/Lewis wouldn't be good enough on a DL w/o a Peppers caliber DE.




Ye of little faith. So what your saying is you are smarter than the Panther's scouts and coaches that hand picked this ragtag group. Corvey Irvin was a 3rd round pick, Ed Johnson is being given a chance by his old coach, E. Brown was thought enough of for us to trade up to get, Charles Johnson is a 3rd round pick, Brayton is a first round pick that quietly had a very good season, Louis Leonard and Tank are young talented players that were in the wrong scheme recently. A DE is the only DLine position i see us pursuing. Matter of fact i am confident that DT,Safety, Linebacker, OL, RB, and CB are all out of the running for one of our early picks.
WR and DE being our main needs. These will be our targets in the 2nd and 3rd.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 12:12 PM

Because our starting Tackles consist of Tyler, Leonard, Irvin, Hayden and Johnson right now. That's lolworthy on the scale of Jarrett being our #2 WR.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 01:52 PM

No Pro Bowl worthy? We have no guys we know are good enough to even step on the field and be average for a season. Bad depth means nothing....

If you aren't going to have a Peppers type DE....you need some pretty dang good play at the DT spots. And again, with all that depth you are talking about.....we don't even know if we have 2 that can be as good as Kemo/Lewis. We don't even know we have one good enough to start for us. And Kemo/Lewis wouldn't be good enough on a DL w/o a Peppers caliber DE.


The exact same can be said for our DE's. Charles Johnson and Everette Brown have even less starting experience than our so-called "average DTs". The Panthers FO is banking on 2 our of 6 of our DTs to be able to start for us. We have seen enough of Brayton to know that he is nothing but a rotational DE at best.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 01:54 PM

Ye of little faith. So what your saying is you are smarter than the Panther's scouts and coaches that hand picked this ragtag group. Corvey Irvin was a 3rd round pick, Ed Johnson is being given a chance by his old coach, E. Brown was thought enough of for us to trade up to get, Charles Johnson is a 3rd round pick, Brayton is a first round pick that quietly had a very good season, Louis Leonard and Tank are young talented players that were in the wrong scheme recently. A DE is the only DLine position i see us pursuing. Matter of fact i am confident that DT,Safety, Linebacker, OL, RB, and CB are all out of the running for one of our early picks.
WR and DE being our main needs. These will be our targets in the 2nd and 3rd.


I think that's correct.. WR, DE will be our first two picks unless there is a QB that we absolutely can not pass up.. I don't agree with the QB pick, but for some reason I think the panthers are looking for a QB with one of our top picks.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:11 PM

I think that's correct.. WR, DE will be our first two picks unless there is a QB that we absolutely can not pass up.. I don't agree with the QB pick, but for some reason I think the panthers are looking for a QB with one of our top picks.


if colt mccoy is there do you take him?

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:12 PM

Ye of little faith. So what your saying is you are smarter than the Panther's scouts and coaches that hand picked this ragtag group. Corvey Irvin was a 3rd round pick, Ed Johnson is being given a chance by his old coach, E. Brown was thought enough of for us to trade up to get, Charles Johnson is a 3rd round pick, Brayton is a first round pick that quietly had a very good season, Louis Leonard and Tank are young talented players that were in the wrong scheme recently. A DE is the only DLine position i see us pursuing. Matter of fact i am confident that DT,Safety, Linebacker, OL, RB, and CB are all out of the running for one of our early picks.
WR and DE being our main needs. These will be our targets in the 2nd and 3rd.


I'm not claiming to be smarter than them. I agree with everything the Panthers are doing.

I am disagreeing w/ a certain pertcentage of fans who think the 2010 team is going to do anything or that the defense will be good.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 03:22 PM

if colt mccoy is there do you take him?


I would not take Colt McCoy only because I believe he is strictly a West Coast QB in the mold of Matt Hasselbeck. He doesn't fit our current system. However, he did display some decent arm strength at his pro day. Plus, I am not sure how the FO feels about Moore.. if they feel he is the QB of the future, then I definately wouldn't take a QB in the 2nd round.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 07:42 PM

This is why we need a standout at DT in the second and since he left our DL hasn't been the same.

http://proxy.espn.go...tory?id=5075523


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