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Is DeAngelo the greatest running back in NFL history..hard to say that. But does he compare favorably...absolutely. So let's take a quick peek at some stats.

I googled up GREAT RUNNING BACKS and while this is someone's opinion, certainly we would all agree he is close.

He ranks Gayle Sayers, Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, O.J. Simpson, Earl Campbell, Marshall Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Walter Payton as the best. Okay, not saying that is or is not correct, but it's a good list.

The following are each players stretch of Yards Per Carry Average for their best three years. The last number is the average of those three years.

Gayle Sayers 5.2 5.4 4.7 avg 5.1
Jim Brown 6.4 5.2 5.3 avg 5.6
E. Eickerson 4.6 5.6 4.2 avg 4.8
O.J Simpson 6.0 4.2 4.2 avg 5.2
E. Campbell 4.8 4.6 5.2 avg 4.8
M. Fault 5.5 5.4 5.3 avg 5.4
L. Tomlinson 4.3 5.2 4.7 avg 4.7
E. Smith 4.6 5.3 4.0 avg 4.6
B. Sanders 5.1 6.1 4.8 avg 5.3
W. Payton 4.5 5.5 4.2 avg 4.7

D. Williams 5.0 5.5 5.2 avg 5.2

So, what does the above tell us? That DeAngelo certainly ranks thus far with the all time greats. Without question. Only five of the above ten have EVER averaged five yards a carry over a three year period. After doing some other research, not l00% complete, I believe I can fairly say that in the history of the NFL, given 130 or more carries a year, only Jim Brown, Marshall Faulk, and DeAngelo Williams have averaged 5 yards per carry for three consecutive seasons. Should DeAngelo average 5 yards per carry in the coming year, it would appear that he would be the only back in NFL history to average 5 yards a carry for four consecutive years. Only Brown, Dickerson, Simpson, and Faulk have averaged as much as 5.6 yards a carry in one season. A huge mark.

DeAngelo's best two records as far as I know:

Only DeAngelo, Jim Brown, and O.J. Simpson have had l5 td's, 1,500 yards, and and averaged 5.5 yards per carry in a season. That said, perhaps Chris Johnson tied that last year, I don't know.

Only Jim Brown has more touchdowns in a season (by one) than DeAngelo from 30 or more yards out. I think it is seven to six.

Hard to say DeAngelo does not rank with the all time greats...at least thus far.

I did not include Adrian Peterson in the above stats, because he was not listed in the original article. However, let's take a look

A Peterson 5.6 4.8 4.4 avg 4.9

So we can add Adrian to the above list of backs that have averaged 5.6 yards a carry in a given year. But it is interesting that his average has dropped for three straight years. Not going to get into the reasons here.

The above does not take into account various subjective factors. Let's take a look in a year. But it would be hard to say that DeAngelo is not one of the 20 best backs in league history. How can he not be?

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Good research. It's extremely hard to compare the accomplishments of DeAngelo to accomplishments of previous backs. While 3 years of 5.0 ypc is a great stat, he has the benefit of sharing carries with another very good back. There is a good chance that if D-Will was the only back in our system, his ypc would likely decrease.

That being said, DeAngelo is probably the most underrated back in the NFL. If he stays healthy, he will definitely get to the HoF.

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This is why is is a very smart move for Dwill if he stays here, on a run-based team with a 'back-up' stud although I see them both as equal, more of [I]sharing [/I]carries. If he stays with a run based team and continues as he has given no major injuries, or a team running him into the ground, I see him as easily being one of the best backs of all time.

Even for a RB Dwill is still very young.

ps Jim Brown is a god...
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The Lombardi Trophy will be renamed the DWILL Trophy.

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[quote name='DirtyMagic97']Good research. It's extremely hard to compare the accomplishments of DeAngelo to accomplishments of previous backs. While 3 years of 5.0 ypc is a great stat, he has the benefit of sharing carries with another very good back. There is a good chance that if D-Will was the only back in our system, his ypc would likely decrease.

That being said, DeAngelo is probably the most underrated back in the NFL. If he stays healthy, he will definitely get to the HoF.[/QUOTE]


Though through limited time. D'Will averaged 5.0 ypc BEFORE J. Stewart got here.

I am not sure on the HOF yet, but as you said "if he stays healthy" He will definitely set the Carolina record book high.

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[quote name='DaveThePanther2008']Though through limited time. D'Will averaged 5.0 ypc BEFORE J. Stewart got here.

I am not sure on the HOF yet, but as you said "if he stays healthy" He will definitely set the Carolina record book high.[/QUOTE]

Yea, that's really the point I was making. With limited carries, it's a little easier to average 5 ypc. The law of large numbers will bring people back to a modest average.

I'm not sure on the HoF either, I'm just a homer, and I love the dude.

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Why anyone would want to trade him is INSANE. Those that make the point J. Stewart is a better back are not even close.

Before D'Will went out with his injury he had 1100 yds while during the same span. J. Stewart has only 700 yds. Big difference.

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To be fair, J-Stew was 5.1 ypc and DeAngelo was 5.2. Not much of a difference. When J-Stew became the primary back, he was just a effective as DeAngelo. And J-Stew had more TD's.

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[quote name='DaveThePanther2008']Before D'Will went out with his injury he had 1100 yds while during the same span. J. Stewart has only 700 yds. Big difference.[/QUOTE]

because of injury concerns with stewart, williams was well on his way to carrying the rock well over 300x last season before getting hurt.

stewart was on pace to touch the ball less than he did his rookie season.

that's the big difference.

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I think this tandem if it stays together will go down in NFL History as THE BEST. They provide such a huge difference in style. DeAngelo moves by them... Stewart runs over them. How many times has D Will wore a defense down and Stewart comes in and runs over what is left of them.

I won't trade either and I would do whatever possible to keep them both.

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Give credit to our O-line.

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I'm just glad we can probably keep them both since we let Peppers go.

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[quote name='DaveThePanther2008']Why anyone would want to trade him is INSANE. Those that make the point J. Stewart is a better back are not even close.

Before D'Will went out with his injury he had 1100 yds while during the same span. J. Stewart has only 700 yds. Big difference.[/QUOTE]

well, if you want to argue who is better DeAngelo in his 4th year year vs. Stewart in his 2nd.....DeAngelo should be better as that is when he should be peaking. If you want to look at what both proved to be after two years in the NFL.....Stewart looks to be on pace to be a better RB....and has done it while less than 100%.

before Williams went went out w/ his injury following the Viking game....he also 60 more carries depsite missing almost 2 full games (Tampa and most of Minny). Big difference.

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[quote name='BruceBrewski']I'm just glad we can probably keep them both since we let Peppers go.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully. It'll be hard to pay DeAngelo, Stewart, Beason, and probably Davis. If Moore turns out to be a good QB, he'll earn his payday as well.

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i don't think williams is much better than stewart. there have been games where williams couldn't get anything going. he was getting shut down. then, stewart came in and started getting 4-5 yards per carry. the reverse has also happened.

i also don't think williams is the best back even in the league now. i don't care about stats when comparing which players are better. williams stats are inflated in part because of our dominate offensive line, and our commitment to the run. williams knows if he doesn't get 4-5 yards per carry, we're probably going to lose the game. that's a big motivation, and it usually leaves him slumped over, breathless, and looking like he's going to pass out. if other backs put in that much effort, they might do better too. when comparing which players are better, all i look at is talent level. i think williams is top 5 in the league now, maybe top 3. i'd have to put more thought in to it to narrow it down further.

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[quote name='CRA']well, if you want to argue who is better DeAngelo in his 4th year year vs. Stewart in his 2nd.....DeAngelo should be better as that is when he should be peaking. If you want to look at what both proved to be after two years in the NFL.....Stewart looks to be on pace to be a better RB....and has done it while less than 100%.[/QUOTE]

and it's this type of lopsided comparison that i can't stand with most williams nuthuggers...

...like comparing williams 3 season 5.0+ ypc production with guys who have done the same thing but never touched the ball less than 200x...while williams's first season only had 144 attempts.

...or comparing him to peterson, who in 3 seasons has outworked and outproduced williams's 4 season total...and there's no comparison whatsoever if you only look at deangelo's first 3 seasons.

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Johnathan Stewart> Adrian Peterson
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[quote name='kinderfeld11']ps Jim Brown is a god...[/QUOTE]


i don't think some people know how much an insult it is to try to compare any of today's RBs to jim brown.
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It's amazingly easy when you pick and choose your stats. But you have to realize that those numbers are horribly skewed. With the exception of LT, all of those guys were pound it out, workhorse guys- DWill and LT get their numbers from an occasional 50-70 yard run. And you have to credit the Oline for opening up holes to get those big runs.

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[quote name='adallastiger']Is DeAngelo the greatest running back in NFL history..hard to say that. But does he compare favorably...absolutely. So let's take a quick peek at some stats.

I googled up GREAT RUNNING BACKS and while this is someone's opinion, certainly we would all agree he is close.

He ranks Gayle Sayers, Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, O.J. Simpson, Earl Campbell, Marshall Faulk, LaDanian Tomlinson, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, and Walter Payton as the best. Okay, not saying that is or is not correct, but it's a good list.

The following are each players stretch of Yards Per Carry Average for their best three years. The last number is the average of those three years.

Gayle Sayers 5.2 5.4 4.7 avg 5.1
Jim Brown 6.4 5.2 5.3 avg 5.6
E. Eickerson 4.6 5.6 4.2 avg 4.8
O.J Simpson 6.0 4.2 4.2 avg 5.2
E. Campbell 4.8 4.6 5.2 avg 4.8
M. Fault 5.5 5.4 5.3 avg 5.4
L. Tomlinson 4.3 5.2 4.7 avg 4.7
E. Smith 4.6 5.3 4.0 avg 4.6
B. Sanders 5.1 6.1 4.8 avg 5.3
W. Payton 4.5 5.5 4.2 avg 4.7

D. Williams 5.0 5.5 5.2 avg 5.2

So, what does the above tell us? That DeAngelo certainly ranks thus far with the all time greats. Without question. Only five of the above ten have EVER averaged five yards a carry over a three year period. After doing some other research, not l00% complete, I believe I can fairly say that in the history of the NFL, given 130 or more carries a year, only Jim Brown, Marshall Faulk, and DeAngelo Williams have averaged 5 yards per carry for three consecutive seasons. Should DeAngelo average 5 yards per carry in the coming year, it would appear that he would be the only back in NFL history to average 5 yards a carry for four consecutive years. Only Brown, Dickerson, Simpson, and Faulk have averaged as much as 5.6 yards a carry in one season. A huge mark.

DeAngelo's best two records as far as I know:

Only DeAngelo, Jim Brown, and O.J. Simpson have had l5 td's, 1,500 yards, and and averaged 5.5 yards per carry in a season. That said, perhaps Chris Johnson tied that last year, I don't know.

Only Jim Brown has more touchdowns in a season (by one) than DeAngelo from 30 or more yards out. I think it is seven to six.

Hard to say DeAngelo does not rank with the all time greats...at least thus far.

I did not include Adrian Peterson in the above stats, because he was not listed in the original article. However, let's take a look

A Peterson 5.6 4.8 4.4 avg 4.9

So we can add Adrian to the above list of backs that have averaged 5.6 yards a carry in a given year. But it is interesting that his average has dropped for three straight years. Not going to get into the reasons here.

The above does not take into account various subjective factors. Let's take a look in a year. But it would be hard to say that DeAngelo is not one of the 20 best backs in league history. How can he not be?

Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

you can't play 4 seasons and be crowned among the best in league history, it doesn't work that way.

Massaging the stats to draw similarities to HoF guys is interesting but it doesn't really prove much.

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[quote name='DaveThePanther2008']Why anyone would want to trade him is INSANE. Those that make the point J. Stewart is a better back are not even close.

Before D'Will went out with his injury he had 1100 yds while during the same span. J. Stewart has only 700 yds. Big difference.[/QUOTE]

It's not a big stretch of the imagination to consider one back better than the other. Stewart has looked very impressive in his 2 years here.

They both have the benefit of sharing carries which keeps them fresh. So it makes it hard to compare them to each other or any other NFL back.

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[quote name='CRA']well, if you want to argue who is better DeAngelo in his 4th year year vs. Stewart in his 2nd.....DeAngelo should be better as that is when he should be peaking. If you want to look at what both proved to be after two years in the NFL.....Stewart looks to be on pace to be a better RB....and has done it while less than 100%.

before Williams went went out w/ his injury following the Viking game....he also 60 more carries depsite missing almost 2 full games (Tampa and most of Minny). Big difference.[/QUOTE]

Those 1st two seasons he was very limited with D. Foster as the #1 Back.

Remember the argument that 1st season who should be the starter.

Both are very well worth every penny unlike Foster who should give us some money back.

The Oline is tailored to run. IMO probably one of the top OLines in the NFL.

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[quote name='cookinbrak']It's amazingly easy when you pick and choose your stats. But you have to realize that those numbers are horribly skewed. With the exception of LT, all of those guys were pound it out, workhorse guys- DWill and LT get their numbers from an occasional 50-70 yard run. And you have to credit the Oline for opening up holes to get those big runs.[/QUOTE]

Ah, thanks for clearing this up. I had NO idea that all the other running backs didn't have an offensive line and any run over 15 yards scraped from their stats.

And no, I'm not saying DWill is better or worse than any of the guys listed.

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Deangelo scored 4 touchdowns against us the last time we played.

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