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Posted 18 April 2010 - 04:44 PM

hardly sarcasm. linebackers today use solid tackling form, run mid-4 sec 40s, and use way better pursuit angles. all those defensive players were lumbering around like frankenstein. brown was powerful and had good change of direction, but i could say the same thing about lots of backs today. if chris johnson or deangelo williams had played against those defenses, they'd have smoked brown's records.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 04:45 PM

Let's not forget Bo Jackson he was a monster too.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 04:51 PM

when everything is said and done, maurice jones-drew will have a better career and get to the HOF before deangelo williams does.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 05:06 PM

hardly sarcasm. linebackers today use solid tackling form, run mid-4 sec 40s, and use way better pursuit angles. all those defensive players were lumbering around like frankenstein. brown was powerful and had good change of direction, but i could say the same thing about lots of backs today. if chris johnson or deangelo williams had played against those defenses, they'd have smoked brown's records.


Chris Johnson and Deangelo Williams might not have made it through their rookie seasons alive. Both were small, not well built backs coming out of school, and that's with modern college strength training being heads and shoulders above what the NFL had back then.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 05:06 PM

hardly sarcasm. linebackers today use solid tackling form, run mid-4 sec 40s, and use way better pursuit angles. all those defensive players were lumbering around like frankenstein. brown was powerful and had good change of direction, but i could say the same thing about lots of backs today. if chris johnson or deangelo williams had played against those defenses, they'd have smoked brown's records.

Wow. How old are you, 12?

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 05:10 PM

And this is based on what? His numbers are comparable. What more do you want to compare them with?

If he were to last 8-9 years he will be near the top of the all time ypc list. His total yards may be hindered because of the 2 back system that he seems to enjoy in Carolina.

Williams IMO has all the tools and drive to be one of the all time greats.

Based off of the fact he isn't even the best back today, or even top three. Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, and Steven Jackson are all better. Remove your Carolina shades and stop being a flat out homer. I guarantee you if a Chiefs fan came in here and told you Jamaal Charles will be an all-time great when he hangs it up based off the YPC he put up in 2009, you'd think it was ridiculous too, so don't hold a double standard. But since you think YPC is the be all, end all when it comes to rating backs, keep this in mind.

Fred Taylor's YPC for his career is 4.6. Walter Payton's is 4.4. Tomlinson's is 4.3. Marshall Faulk's is 4.0. Tony Dorsett's is 4.3. Eric Dickerson's is 4.4. So do you believe Fred Taylor is better than all of those backs? Better yet, I'll use another example. Pierre Thomas had a better YPC rate than both Stewart and Williams this past season. So do you agree he had the better season?

I don't give a poo about YPC. It's a terrible way to rate backs anyway, especially considering its dependent on a lot of things including how many carries that back gets and how many they get consistently. DeAngelo Williams isn't any near the all-time great backs and I doubt he ever will be. He's already what, 27? He's not going to string together 8-9 seasons (which would be from 27 to around age 35) good enough to change my mind.

I don't want to stereotype all Panther fans on this site (by the way, I am one) since I've seen some intelligent ones. But the fact that somebody is seriously trying to argue that Williams may be on Jim Brown or Walter Payton's level someday is laughable. I'll just put it this way. If a Saints, Falcons, or Buccaneers fan came in trying to say the same exact argument for their halfback, they'd get laughed at.

Edited by Mage, 18 April 2010 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2010 - 05:57 PM

.....yes, there is more than Yards Per Carry. Are you Effing kidding me, don't show your ignorance. Last year DeAngelo and Jonathan had NO PASSING GAME. Everyone stacked the line and KNEW they were going to run. Had DeAngelo played for the Saints with Drew Brees passing, and the defense spread out, there is no telling what he would do. No, yards per carry is not everything, but is a good indicator at some point.

DeAngelo would average six yards a carry playing for the Saints of last year.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 05:59 PM

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:07 PM

.....yes, there is more than Yards Per Carry. Are you Effing kidding me, don't show your ignorance. Last year DeAngelo and Jonathan had NO PASSING GAME. Everyone stacked the line and KNEW they were going to run. Had DeAngelo played for the Saints with Drew Brees passing, and the defense spread out, there is no telling what he would do. No, yards per carry is not everything, but is a good indicator at some point.

DeAngelo would average six yards a carry playing for the Saints of last year.


No, it isn't a good indicator.

And no, Williams wouldn't average six yards per carry.

Take off the shades and stop being a homer. But please, since I'm ignorant, give me a legit argument outside of "OH EM GEE HE HAS GOOD YPC" that Williams will someday be on Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, etc.'s level. Like I said, I love Williams and I'm happy we have him. But he isn't even a top three back right now and arguably not the best back on his team.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:17 PM

Chris Johnson and Deangelo Williams might not have made it through their rookie seasons alive. Both were small, not well built backs coming out of school, and that's with modern college strength training being heads and shoulders above what the NFL had back then.


i'm comparing their modern day conditioning to back then. if they were in the poor shape those players back then were, you're probably right. i don't know whether it was the smoking, beer, or poor diets, but something was wrong with those defenders. they wouldn't have even been drafted in today's football. they can't change direction. they can't tackle. they all looked like a big lumbering bus trying to make sharp turns.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:27 PM

No, it isn't a good indicator.

And no, Williams wouldn't average six yards per carry.

Take off the shades and stop being a homer. But please, since I'm ignorant, give me a legit argument outside of "OH EM GEE HE HAS GOOD YPC" that Williams will someday be on Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, etc.'s level. Like I said, I love Williams and I'm happy we have him. But he isn't even a top three back right now and arguably not the best back on his team.


What other starting backs in the league have had over 5 YPC the past 2 years? The answer is no one. How can you say Williams isnt a top 3 back and probably not the best on the team? Like it or not YPC is a big indicator of just how good a starting RB is. Yes Stewart had 5 YPC last season, but still wasn't more than Williams' YPC. If you look at the numbers, Williams is the second best back in the league behind Chris Johnson. And its quite laguhable you think Peterson is better when he isnt even a top 5 back, look at his fumbles.

Edited by KillerKat, 18 April 2010 - 06:38 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:27 PM

Wow. How old are you, 12?


i'm confused. did you actually watch the video? you're going to sit there and tell me jim brown actually accomplished something decent on any of those runs? would you please list the time index to a run you thought was impressive which didn't involve a comical defensive performance.

maybe those were just rare instances where defenses goofed up and he got big runs, and that's why they're on a highlight video. that's understandable. however, if that is an actual indication of how defenses played back then, most elite backs today would've had even better stats than brown. i'm almost positive.

not saying he's bad. he obviously had all the qualities an elite back needs; power, speed, vision, and change of direction. but, you guys are saying he was the best ever and no one can even touch him, and i'm saying he's in a pool of elite backs. i was exaggerating with the not in the to 20 all-time thing. however, i do think there are some backs playing even today that are better from a physical standpoint and a talent standpoint.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:32 PM

silver82blade, I don't know what you're complaining about, or why you're complaining. Football has drastically changed since then. Jim Brown was ahead of his time in his day. Don't be ignorant.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:41 PM

that's what i'm complaining about. football has changed, a lot. you're right. so, comparing stats from then to now is irrelevant. you have to look at how the person played to say who is better. just because jim brown ran up a bunch of yards on people back then doesn't mean he'd do the same thing today. he would definitely be a starter. he might even make the pro bowl once in a while, but to say he's the greatest all-time and no one touches him is not right in my opinion. there are several backs today who are more athletic and talented.

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Posted 18 April 2010 - 06:42 PM

I dont know how you compare a guy with the greatest, that has really only 2 seasons with a worthy amount of carries


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