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Or should I say, the expected?

The Panthers have made a Day One (Rnds 1-3) move in each of the last 7 drafts... I'm not a betting man, but if I were, it looks pretty much like a slam dunk that we can expect early activity this weekend...

You have been warned... :D
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[quote name='NanceUSMC']Or should I say, the expected?

The Panthers have made a Day One (Rnds 1-3) move in each of the last 7 drafts... I'm not a betting man, but if I were, it looks pretty much like a slam dunk that we can expect early activity this weekend...

You have been warned... :D[/QUOTE]

Wouldnt that make this "Expect the expected"?

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So Nance thinks we'll trade for Big Ben.

Hmmmmm....

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I wouldn't doubt they might try to move up but I doubt we'll go for Ben Rapethisgirler

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[quote name='Delhommey']So Nance thinks we'll trade for Big Ben.

Hmmmmm....[/QUOTE]

lol

Not a chance in hell...

However, trading back into round 1 of a loaded draft, mortgaging away future selections that Hurney and Fox might not even be around to make? Webster's Dictionary lists that as the definition of "no-brainer"... At least as far as they are concerned...

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I would kinda hope Richardson would stop them. I'm ecstatic about the move to get Otah, but we should have left it alone last year. The player(s) we need will be available at 48.

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I have no idea what to expect coming out of college next year, but I wouldn't mind seeing us trading next years first again for a 2nd and a 4th or two thirds. This would really depend on who is available for us to take. If we can get a great pick in the third I don't mind our picks this year.

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[quote name='NanceUSMC']lol

Not a chance in hell...

However, trading back into round 1 of a loaded draft, mortgaging away future selections that Hurney and Fox might not even be around to make? Webster's Dictionary lists that as the definition of "no-brainer"... At least as far as they are concerned...[/QUOTE]
the thing that has been difficult for me in participating in mocks is that i know that the panthers first pick won't be #48 and that their first pick will come a good bit earlier.

trading next years first isn't all that big of a deal because there is always first round talent that falls through the cracks into the second and with that pick we can usually get another pick in as well.

i easily see us turning next years first into a late first and 4th rounder or a early second and a 3rd rounder like last year. the more picks the better.

panthers have to win now...again...so it's pretty safe to assume they are going to be doing something like this.

the only thing that would shock me is if they didn't trade up or trade at all.

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[quote name='rayzor']the thing that has been difficult for me in participating in mocks is that i know that the panthers first pick won't be #48 and that their first pick will come a good bit earlier.

trading next years first isn't all that big of a deal because there is always first round talent that falls through the cracks into the second and with that pick we can usually get another pick in as well.

i easily see us turning next years first into a late first and 4th rounder or a early second and a 3rd rounder like last year. the more picks the better.

panthers have to win now...again...so it's pretty safe to assume they are going to be doing something like this.

the only thing that would shock me is if they didn't trade up or trade at all.[/QUOTE]

yeah, i completely agree with this. especially that last bit about being shocked if they don't trade at all. they build through the draft, which means they have to acquire more picks, and they don't care too much for 1st round picks because of the money involved. so i'm almost apt to believe that our 1st rounder from next year's draft is already gone. i'm really hoping for another high 2nd rounder in this year's draft so we can land a decent DT and a WR in the 2nd. then LB in the 3rd, and OL in the 4th... and BPA in rounds 6 & 7

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[quote name='rayzor']the thing that has been difficult for me in participating in mocks is that i know that the panthers first pick won't be #48 and that their first pick will come a good bit earlier.

trading next years first isn't all that big of a deal because there is always first round talent that falls through the cracks into the second and with that pick we can usually get another pick in as well.

i easily see us turning next years first into a late first and 4th rounder or a early second and a 3rd rounder like last year. the more picks the better.

panthers have to win now...again...so it's pretty safe to assume they are going to be doing something like this.

the only thing that would shock me is if they didn't trade up or trade at all.[/QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree..... I hope The Big cat does not let us trade next year’s first again. At some point in time you have to stop and deal with it... with this draft being deep. This is the year to stay put!! Since the draft is deep there is no need to move up into the first when we can get plenty value in the Middle rounds this year!!!

Also as I have said before... Moore is still a question mark. This will be his first full season in control. I believe that he will succeed, but if he fails we will need that first next year to draft a franchise QB... also more than likely fox will be gone if he fails and the new coaching staff will want the top-10 first round pick to start the new direction of the team!!!

We have to look at the big picture and not get caught up with who we want now!!!

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I think we'll move up in the second, but not into the first.

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[quote name='Beaux Berry']I think we'll move up in the second, but not into the first.[/QUOTE]

I just don't understand... If the draft is so deep for the positions we need why would we give up picks to move up? It seems we would move up if the draft wasn't deep and we couldn't get value at our pick, which is not the case this year.

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[quote name='theyhateme45']I just don't understand... If the draft is so deep for the positions we need why would we give up picks to move up? It seems we would move up if the draft wasn't deep and we couldn't get value at our pick, which is not the case this year.[/QUOTE]

this is a deep draft, and the best scenario would be to trade next years picks for an earlier 2nd round pick in this draft, and keep our mid 2nd and 3rd as well. two second rounders and a 3rd rounder this year sounds pretty nice.

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I see us sending Richard Marshall and 2011 1st rounder for a 1st and a 4th this year

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[quote name='Panthro']I see us sending Richard Marshall and 2011 1st rounder for a 1st and a 4th this year[/QUOTE]

Could easily happen.

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When we traded our first last year, we were coming off a great season. This year, not so much, and we parted ways with A LOT of players. Gotta believe teams see our first next year as being worth more than this time last year.

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[quote name='theyhateme45']I respectfully disagree..... I hope The Big cat does not let us trade next year’s first again. At some point in time you have to stop and deal with it... with this draft being deep. This is the year to stay put!! Since the draft is deep there is no need to move up into the first when we can get plenty value in the Middle rounds this year!!!

Also as I have said before... Moore is still a question mark. This will be his first full season in control. I believe that he will succeed, but if he fails we will need that first next year to draft a franchise QB... also more than likely fox will be gone if he fails and the new coaching staff will want the top-10 first round pick to start the new direction of the team!!!

We have to look at the big picture and not get caught up with who we want now!!![/QUOTE]what do you disagree with? that the panthers are much more than likely going to trade up and get two for the price of one first rounder or that it isn't that big of a deal?

if the draft is deep....why wouldn't you want as many picks as you can get? there have been so many people talking about how good of a class this is, esp. for WR, DE, and DT why not get more picks?

we don't know what the quality of next years class is going to be but we know what is here this year. take advantage of this year and trade back into the first next year.

we'll be getting a good number of comp picks more than likely, we won't be able to trade them but there will be other picks to trade.

why do we have to stop trading the next years pick? i don't understand why you [B][I][U]HAVE[/U][/I][/B] to do that at some point.

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[quote name='SmootsDaddy89']When we traded our first last year, we were coming off a great season. This year, not so much, and we parted ways with A LOT of players. Gotta believe teams see our first next year as being worth more than this time last year.[/QUOTE]
we probably could get a lot of value for it. if teams are thinking that our first round pick will be a top 10 they will likely be willing to give a good bit up for it.

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The more picks we have this year the happier I'll be.

I mean Zod might be a 3rd round pick next year...its a weak group

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problem is, this years draft is valuable, we won't get the kind of value we previously have for next years pick.

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[quote name='mmmbeans']problem is, this years draft is valuable, we won't get the kind of value we previously have for next years pick.[/QUOTE]

true.

it should even out with the thought that our pick could be a high on next year. 2nd and a 4th please.

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[quote name='Panthro']true.

it should even out with the thought that our pick could be a high on next year. 2nd and a 4th please.[/QUOTE]

hopefully, 2nd and a 4th would be awesome. I just don't see many teams willing to go that route this year.

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[quote name='rayzor']what do you disagree with? that the panthers are much more than likely going to trade up and get two for the price of one first rounder or that it isn't that big of a deal?

if the draft is deep....why wouldn't you want as many picks as you can get? there have been so many people talking about how good of a class this is, esp. for WR, DE, and DT why not get more picks?

we don't know what the quality of next years class is going to be but we know what is here this year. take advantage of this year and trade back into the first next year.

we'll be getting a good number of comp picks more than likely, we won't be able to trade them but there will be other picks to trade.

why do we have to stop trading the next years pick? i don't understand why you [B][I][U]HAVE[/U][/I][/B] to do that at some point.[/QUOTE]

That it isn't that big of a deal....

I do not mind trading our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, whatever next year for more picks this season... But not our first.

Honestly... our team is much more of a question mark this year. In other words I would not be surprised if we won, or finished at the bottom of our division next year. A lot is up too Moore. Teams will game plan for him this year and he will either step up or Fail... We don't know!! The point is if he fails then we will need that top 10 draft pick next year to be in a position to draft a franchise QB...

I do not believe a top 10 pick next year is equal to a 2nd rounder this year. I do believe it is a possibility for that pick to be top 10....

Just think back to when we had our slow start this year how this board was going APE SHIT over giving up a potential top 5-10 pick to SAN FRAN!!!

I am just thinking long term with so many questions on our team, and needing a lot of young players to step up I do not believe it is okay to lose a potential top pick next season!!

That is why I disagree that it is not okay.... It's fine if you feel differently.

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[quote name='Panthro']The more picks we have this year the happier I'll be.

I mean Zod might be a 3rd round pick next year...its a weak group[/QUOTE]ditto.

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[quote name='mmmbeans']problem is, this years draft is valuable, we won't get the kind of value we previously have for next years pick.[/QUOTE]

That's why I'm thinking early second, and that may be all we get. One of those rebuilding teams is going to be desperate enough to stock up on first rounders next year, even with a weak draft class.

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