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Posted 12 January 2009 - 05:52 PM

Are you seriously saying there is no comparison?

between a blond with big tits that just sits in front of a desk and reads the daily news and a guy stupid people are going to look to for legitimate coverage of a growing genocide?

no there's not comparison at all.

Sure, there are some legitimate reporters who have serious experience, and know what they are doing. And there are some who need everything spoonfed to them.

which reporters know what they're doing, which need things spoon fed to them, and where to joe fall in your little spectrum.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:00 PM

between a blond with big tits that just sits in front of a desk and reads the daily news and a guy stupid people are going to look to for legitimate coverage of a growing genocide?

no there's not comparison at all.

which reporters know what they're doing, which need things spoon fed to them, and where to joe fall in your little spectrum.


Perhaps not in your insulated world, but when I was in the Middle East, dealing with them on a semi regular basis, there were those that knew what they were doing and those that had staffers that knew what they were doing. Forgive me, but since it was in the early 90's, I don't remember specific names of specific reporters.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:05 PM

Perhaps not in your insulated world, but when I was in the Middle East, dealing with them on a semi regular basis, there were those that knew what they were doing and those that had staffers that knew what they were doing.

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE MAN I WAS THERE IN THE ETHER

Forgive me, but since it was in the early 90's, I don't remember specific names of specific reporters.

well that's convenient.

basically your point is "hey i once had some contact with reporters 20 years ago so there's where my opinion on the entire industry comes from but don't ask me to elaborate or provide specifics"

and regardless of your experience was that was so harrowing and shook the foundation of what you knew about journalism that you can't remember any specifics, apologizing for joe the plumber being sent to cover a genocide by a far right wing evangelical sh*t hole to basically spew memri fed garbage without providing any context whatsoever is not comparable to anything, and still atrociously wrong.

the mere fact that anyone would do anything less than angrily denounce it proves just how ridiculous and dangerous it is.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:13 PM

YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS LIKE MAN I WAS THERE IN THE ETHER

well that's convenient.

basically your point is "hey i once had some contact with reporters 20 years ago so there's where my opinion on the entire industry comes from but don't ask me to elaborate or provide specifics"

and regardless of your experience was that was so harrowing and shook the foundation of what you knew about journalism that you can't remember any specifics, apologizing for joe the plumber being sent to cover a genocide by a far right wing evangelical sh*t hole to basically spew memri fed garbage without providing any context whatsoever is not comparable to anything, and still atrociously wrong.

the mere fact that anyone would do anything less than angrily denounce it proves just how ridiculous and dangerous it is.



You should really try to take some remedial reading courses, and then go back and read what I said again. I could care less about Joe the plumber. He is just some schmuck who got was in the right place at the right time, or the wrong place at the wrong time. Its silly to think he is going to have any real impact on events in the middle east or peoples opinions of what goes on in the Middle east.

The people that make the decisions are certainly not going to listen to him, and the people that might listen to him already have their minds made up as to how they feel about the conflict. Just like you seem to already have your mind made up.

Joe the plumber will continue to be in the spotlight as long as those that like him, and those that don't like him (meaning you), continue to talk about him.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:20 PM

You should really try to take some remedial reading courses, and then go back and read what I said again. I could care less about Joe the plumber.


you mean couldn't care less, right muzzy?

The people that make the decisions are certainly not going to listen to him,


lol the bush administration got inspiration from the show 24 what are you talking about

There are plenty of highlights, including an admission (finally) from a Pentagon official that Jack Bauer provided inspiration. Diane Beaver, a lawyer who worked underneath Major General Michael Dunlavey, the first commander at Gitmo, told Sands in an interview about brainstorming meetings (which included representatives from the Defense Intelligence Agency and the C.I.A.) held at Gitmo in September of 2002 about possible interrogation techniques. The military's SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) program, meant to train U.S. soldiers to resist torture used by the bad guys, was one inspiration.

http://tpmmuckraker....he_top_down.php

and those that don't like him (meaning you), continue to talk about him.

is this an attempt to get me to stop calling you on your bullshit because it's pretty transparent.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:24 PM

you mean couldn't care less, right muzzy?

lol the bush administration got inspiration from the show 24 what are you talking about

http://tpmmuckraker....he_top_down.php


is this an attempt to get me to stop calling you on your bullsh*t because it's pretty transparent.




So you were a part of the Bush administration, and you know that they got their inspiration from 24? How about naming some names of administration officials that got their inspiration from 24.

I was involved in a couple of incidents that colored my opinions on reporters.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 06:40 PM

I was aboard the USS Iowa in 1989. We had a turret explosion that killed many members of our crew. Some Journalist were very professional, and did a good job investigating their sources before they aired a story. Others took raw unverified information, and made the lives of the families that were effected by the explosion a living hell for several months. One reporter went so far as to report on powder experiments that were being conducted at the time of the explosion. And his source for the information was a seaman recruit who wasn't even in the turret that had the incident and had only been on the ship for two months. He eventually recanted his story, and a retraction was printed. That is one of several incidents I was directly or indirectly involved in.

Reporters are just like everyone else, there are some that know what they are doing, and some that don't. To be fair, some of the reporters that worked on the Iowa story did the public a great service by exposing some of the Navy's misguided attempts at investigation. Others merely jumped in when it was hot with little regard for facts. You can call it bullsh*t if you want to, I don't particularly care. But I have seen evidence of reporters being more interested in ratings than in facts firsthand.

Edited by Davidson Deac II, 12 January 2009 - 06:57 PM.