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#121 MaineManPanther

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:44 PM

I do watch Godfrey very intensely....doesn't mean you ignore everything else on the field.


Ive seen all the games and belive Godfry isnt that bad. Several other posters have watched the games and belive the same thing. If Godfry is such a bad player, and we all use the same refrences to judge,how are we coming to different opinons about this? Is everybody who doesnt see it your way just wrong? Or maybe Godfry isnt nearly as bad as you say?

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:51 PM

Godfrey looked pretty awful during the 2nd half of 2008 and pre injury in 2009.

of course it's difficult to isolate his shitty play from the shitty play of the defense as a whole in those circumstances without endzone cams so whatev

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:58 PM

Obviously there is no arguing he was bad. But Im speaking of his improvment after injury.Its ignorant to say he simply imporved his FF abillity, and thats all, everything else everybody noticed was wrong. Based on the exact same sources.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:18 PM

I kind of hope Marcus Hudson gets the start at SS. maybe he can turn out like Harris did. Suck in one place, then be great at another.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:52 PM

[quote name='pantherclaw'][QUOTE=;2488538]
I did read. Evidently you didn't. I know he played free safety.
You are the one stuck on martin not being able to play ss. Chances are, hell be the fs anyways. Not that it matters in our system. Which do you think is easier to do. Play coverage, or run support? Don't bother responding.

You also continue to argue they haven't proven themselves. Obviously. others feel otherwise. Especially the coaches. So go ahead...keep flappin' that arguement all you want.
Once again, we have fans who don't understand, that to move on from a player that is also a leader...you have to remove that player so it won't devide the locker room.

Most people are excited about both being on the field together. It will improve our secondary. Run support is taught to every cb on a john fox team. Of course, you knew that...that is why you are so concerned...right?

Funny thing...you had time to edit your response. While others we also pointing out that the safety positions are interchangable...and you still haven't figured it out. Worried about being schooled....rather than understanding and learning something.[/QUOTE]

he has never played SS nor has Godfrey. I said maybe one of them can but it is still an uknown.....therefore it doesn't make much sense to move Harris out of Carolina and bring in a backup LB. Harris could at least be depth or start if they can't handle it....which is an unknown.

You are making assumptions guys will do what they haven't done....I am just stating it makes sense to keep Harris for 2010 if it backfires b/c now there is nothing there behind them.

as far as proving themselves, Godfrey at best, is an average FS thus far. Much more bad than good....even factoring in he has improved. Hard to call him proven NFL S....at least not a good one yet. Martin has 4 starts at FS....hard to call him proven. Neither has played a down at any level at SS...again, not proven.

I never edited any context of of that post. The S positions aren't interchangeable like they suggested. 55 did a nice job pointing out there is still a significant difference and it could also be seen w/ Meeks in Indy (see Bob Sanders).

Even if you think Martin (who I am extremely high on) and Godfrey will be great together.....it still doesn't make sense to me to dump Harris for a backup LB. Which is the point of all this talk (my Godfrey opinion to the side)

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:56 PM

Obviously there is no arguing he was bad. But Im speaking of his improvment after injury.Its ignorant to say he simply imporved his FF abillity, and thats all, everything else everybody noticed was wrong. Based on the exact same sources.


well, isn't that what you just argued in your prior post?

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 07:58 PM

In addition, I am not trying to come across as an ass or that my opinion is correct. It is my take on things. I had/have a strong opinion on Jake post Tommy John, Godfrey, and Fox's coaching . I fully realize I am hard headed about all 3 of those issues.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:29 PM

John fox has always had the same opinion on the safeties.
yes we need physicality in the secondary. Without harris, our safeties won't be hitting players? I find that difficult to believe.
Run support is a lot easier to coach than coverage skills.


Actually Fox's opinion has changed about safeties. He used to beleive that they didn't really matter and you could get them later in the draft. Obviously he drafted both Godfrey and Martin higher in the draft than he has before. There is a demand for safeties in the cover 2 to be quick to the ball and hard hitters. Because the middle linebacker sits further back in the formation there are many times when the SS plays as close or closer to the line than the MLB. So we need a physical guy who can cover yet deliver a big hit.

As for run support being easier to coach than coverage skills, it isn't strictly about coaching but a mindset. You can coach all you want but Gamble isn't going to be physical nor were some cover guys like Deon Sanders, DeAngelo Hall and the list goes on. Guys who make great SS like to hit and want to mix it up. They think delivering a big hit is as important as breaking up a pass or even intercepting the ball. Sure you can teach technique but you need to teach desire and mindset which is either there or not.

From what I have seen Godfrey has that mindset to a point while I haven't seen it in Martin. But to be fair he only started a few games.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:45 PM

i still have this question for P55. what do you think happens when all these young bucks want more money? can we completely turnover our roster again?


We will likely try and sign our draft picks as long as we can since most rookie contracts are much cheaper than second contracts. Will we try and resign guys like Williams, Davis, Moore and a number of others? It depends on how this year goes. If we fall flat on our face then we will back off the fruit basket turnover and try to sign our core guys. If we have a surprisingly better team than projected by almost everyone not on the huddle, then absolutely this will be a model for the future. When players finish their rookie contract we will just replace them unless they are an exceptional athletes like Beason who doesn't come around that often.

I could see us lock up Clausen for 5 years and let Moore go unless he is sensational. We all know Williams could be replaced by Stewart and if our new linebacker acquisitions do well then davis is obviously expendable. This might be a harbinger of things to come every few years.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:45 PM

My probelm about all these moves is I feel this team was close too being a superbowl contender if not for Jake.

I think all we needed was a few tweaks and take a run at it. This is why I think that me and a few fans are dissapointed about this offseason. Now it seem we are farther away then we were at the end of the season. If they were going too make all these changes why not do it in the last few games????

If you were going to trade harris why not play Goddfrey and Martin together the last few games. Why not play Connors and Anderson with Beason and put Diggs on the bench. Fiammeta was out so you couldn't sit Hoover but maybe you play sutton more then Hoover.

I'm just saying why not put these young players in when their was no hope of making the playoffs. Why play the Vets if you knew you were going to cut them?


Some of you sit here and expect that everybody will step up and we will be good and call people who feel we might be asking too much dumb. Maybe I'm dumb but we are looking for the dream situation. 5 new starter come in a play even or better then their predecessor. No injuries but if we do all the scrapes we picked up from other teams can come in and we don't have much a drop off.


Please do me a favor look at all the question marks on this team and what you expect to happen that anwser them. Then look at how much you expect to happen. Then be realistic how much of this can really happen in 1 season.

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Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:55 PM

well, isn't that what you just argued in your prior post?


Just clarifying I mean after injury. Its really not debatable he improved.