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#91 Porn Shop Clerk

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Posted 24 May 2010 - 11:09 PM

I dunno, Jackson is very tradeable if we get the right deal.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 12:01 AM

David Lee is a PF. Boris Diaw is our current starting PF. David Lee is clearly better than Boris Diaw, therefore David Lee would be an "answer" for the Bobcats. Will we acquire him? Not likely. Would we be a better team with Lee at PF instead of Diaw? Of course we would.



And you've effectively removed the two players most responsible for getting us to the playoffs and replaced them with two second-year pros with little experience. As it stands, that team is weaker than the one we currently have. There's always the possibility of bringing in a big name free agent, but that's a huge crapshoot. It may not be as flashy, but I feel brining in guys like Hinrich and Brand via trade is a safer bet than hoping we get a bite in free agency.

Crash and Jackson are our "core" players right now. We either need to be putting a team around them, or getting someone obviously better than they are.

Like I've said before though, that's my two cents.



You need to do the math and realize the amount of salary we have opened up. Hinrich and Brand just does not excite me as much as 4 young rookies, CP3, Julian Wright,Chris Wilcox, and using the extra cash too bring in Josh Howard and Kyle Korver.

PG- CP3, Mikhail Torrance
SG- Kyle Korver, Gerald Henderson, Jordan Crawford
SF- Josh Howard, Derrick Brown, Julian Wright
PF- Tyus Thomas, Chris Wilcox, Craig Brakens
C- Tyson Chandler, Marcus Camby, Alexis Ajinca, Solomon Alabi
That is a DEEEP and young depth chart. The Bobcats would play and look a lot different and would be more of a run and gun team with tons of perimeter threats. Your Hinrich and Elton Brand idea seems kinda short sighted. IHO.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 12:22 AM

PG: Hinrich - Augustin 11.5 million
SG: Jackson - Flip Murray, he's said he'd like to re-sign here/Henderson 12.5 million
SF: Wallace - Brown 12.2 million
PF: Brand - Thomas/some other back-up in free agency 22.5 million without the other backup
C: Haywood/Miller - Cousins 8 million for Haywood/ 12 million for Miller, then add Diop and Ajinca who is does not look like you traded and you add 8 million. plus the ROOKIE your looking at 18 million or 22 million.
so your looking at 76.7 million or 81.7 million for a 12 man roster. You would need to add a SF and a PF pretty likely. I mean you can get two scrubs for a million a piece.
This does not look like a 79 to 84 million dollar team. I think your over the luxury cap.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 09:59 AM

Why in the hell would you put $12MM on the roster for Brad Miller? He's a guy that should be making the veteran minimum this upcoming season. That one contract is what stands out to me as a gross overestimate and makes me doubt the rest of your calculations as well.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 10:57 AM

Why in the hell would you put $12MM on the roster for Brad Miller? He's a guy that should be making the veteran minimum this upcoming season. That one contract is what stands out to me as a gross overestimate and makes me doubt the rest of your calculations as well.



He is a unrestricted FA. He made 12.2 last year. You say something about the league min which would be 1.3 million. So you think he is gonna take a 11 million dollar pay cut to play in Charlotte? Check my math all you want i flubbed on Brad Miller maybe but he is not gonna take the league min. Also Haywood will get a pay raise he is not gonna play for 6 mill. We also have ZERO chance at him since at his age he would have options to play somewhere close to winning a Championship or at least a playoff game.
I know these trades and pickups are fantasy but Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton for Elton Brand and the SECOND PICK? Then you say pick up Cousins to be our future CENTER? Cousins is good but at number 2 passing on the chance to draft Evan Turner is silly or for that matter John Wall. If we could somehow by some miracle rape the 76er's into taking our failed PG and injury-prone Center for Elton Brand AND a chance to draft the TOP PG or SG then sure i am all for it. BUT IT WOULD NOT BE TO TRADE DOWN AND GET FRICKKING COUSINS.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 11:15 AM

DJ/Nzar/Diaw to NO for CP3/Julian Wright.

Tyson Chandler/future 2nd to Detroit for 2010 2nd/Chris Wilcox

Gerald Wallace/future 1st to Trailblazers for Marcus Camby/1st and 2nd round picks

Stephen Jackson to the Celtics for their first round pick.

Depth Chart
PG- CP3, Mikhail Torrance
SG- Hendo, Jordan Crawford,
SF- Derrick Brown, Julian Wright
PF- TT, Wilcox, Craig Brackens
C- TC, Camby, Ajinca, Solomon Alabi,


Then a lucky draft like this.
Celtics 1st 19th pick. Jordan Crawford SG, Xavier
Trailblazers 1st. 22nd pick. Solomon Alabi C, FSU
Pistons 2nd. 36th pick. Craig Brackins PF, Iowa State
Trailblazers 2nd. 44th pick. Mikhail Torrance G, Alabama

Young, young, i know but lots of salary cap room and young players to develop.


The salary is close to next years cap and looks to be worse, especially considering that team is relying on an injury prone PG whose missed almost a full season of games in 5 seasons. Also with the exception of CP3 where is the scoring coming from? You don't expect Hendo and Brown to average 38 points, 15 rebounds, 3 spg and 1.6 bpg, and 5.8 apg combined do you?

Your also replacing a 1st team All defense player as well as a really good defensive player in Jackson..So not only has the scoring output on this team dropped down, the defense wouldn't be as good either and the salary is higher then you'd expect because of CP3 making 14 almost 15 million next season.

Edited by carpanfan96, 25 May 2010 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 25 May 2010 - 11:28 AM

He's not going to make anywhere close to $12MM this year, his skills have deteriorated. Its not that he's going to take a pay cut to come to Charlotte, he's going to have to take a pay cut to go ANYWHERE. I agree, Haywood is not going to continue to play for $6MM, I actually think your raise to $8MM is quite reasonable.

The trade for Brand/#2 pick isn't about the #2 pick for Philly, its about dropping Brand's contract off of their books. Its highly unlikely that they're going to get much value for it because they're adding Brand's contract to it. It's not "some miracle raping of the Sixers", its looking at the fact that they're trying to dump Elton Brand. Even with the #2 pick thrown in, teams are going to be hesitant to give the Sixers any kind of value because of the risk involved with taking on Brand. Its those kind of risks the Bobcats have to take on because we're not a key spot for free agents, nor are we guaranteed to be a playoff team next year. The trade is all about salary relief for Philly, the #2 pick is part of the deal because nobody in their right mind would just take Brand. What you're obviously not seeing is that Tyson Chandler will be money off the books for them after this upcoming season. In the NBA, that has value. I honestly don't expect them to take Felton though, its more than likely he leaves via free agency.

I never said to draft DeMarcus Cousins with the second pick, I said trade it back to get some salary relief and then pick Cousins. Its a business move, entirely monetarily driven, and a move that would likely need to be made. We've also committed our past two draft picks to a PG and a SG, so while I'd like us to pick up one of Wall or Turner, the organization obviously has a reason to feel differently. Picking one of Wall or Turner is admitting that one Augustin or Henderson was a horrible draft choice, something that the front office would obviously like to avoid.

I wouldn't take Cousins with the #2 pick, no way no how. Wall and Turner are simply too talented to pass on, but when you combine our need for salary relief, especially with Brand and Hinrich and the addition of a top draft pick coming our way, it makes sense to drop back a few picks if someone is willing to take Diaw off of our hands.

Of course this is all fantasy, but it helps to try to understand where someone else is coming from before railing on their opinion. I understand that your plan would have us getting younger, much younger. I like Josh Howard, assuming he comes back from injuries. And there is potential cap room there to get a free agent But at the same time you've got us getting Kyle Korver, who is a horrible defender. We're going to need any trade for a big-money free agent to have Chandler leaving to help even out salary. I think expecting anything else in unrealistic. And your scenario does get rid of a true fan favorite and the heart of this team in Gerald Wallace.

Anyways, we can sit and bitch about what the team should do, but only time is going to tell what they will do. I just hope we're a better team after this offseason than we are going into it.

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 11:56 AM

Maybe keep Steven Jackson instead of trading him to the Celtics. I got a little trigger happy and wanting to collect draft picks. Still this depth chart is pretty cool
PG- CP3, Torrance
SG- Jackson, Henderson
SF- Howard, Brown, Wright
PF- TT, Wilcox, Brackens
C- TC, Ajinca, Alabi

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 12:07 PM

Maybe keep Steven Jackson instead of trading him to the Celtics. I got a little trigger happy and wanting to collect draft picks. Still this depth chart is pretty cool
PG- CP3, Torrance
SG- Jackson, Henderson
SF- Howard, Brown, Wright
PF- TT, Wilcox, Brackens
C- TC, Ajinca, Alabi


You're a Wake Forest fan, aren't you? Every scenario of yours I've seen has both Paul and Josh Howard. :P

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Posted 25 May 2010 - 02:15 PM

Man, I wish we had a draft pick and was able to get Cousins. I think dude's going to be a special player. My dream, as a native Winstonian, would be to get both CP3 and Howard, then turn around and draft Cousins. Probably wont happen, but a man can dream.