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#136 carpanfan96

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:46 PM

What front office position do you hold to be able to say that as a fact? The Bobcats have made more roster moves than any other team over the past couple years, and the moves they have outlined in Part B are certainly reasonable. Not everyone is going to like what's being proposed, but you can't say with certainty that its not going to happen.


not saying I'm a member of the Cats....
Diaw for Hinrich isn't likely to happen. Hinirich has tons of value right now because of the low amount of quality FA pg's. He's going to command way more then just Diaw or Diaw and a future 2nd.

Mohammed's for Nocioni is more likely to happen, but it doesn't really help the Bobcats and it puts more payroll on the team for next season - continuing the cap hell the cats are in.

What I'm saying is that they aren't likely to happen for those reasons.

1. Hinrich isn't likely unless the cats give up more then the above trade.. Normally I'd say this trade would work, but not this off season because of the lack of good PG's on the market.

2. The trade doesn't help the bobcats it actually hurts them long run by adding more cap onto a team that's already strapped next season.

3. I can't think of any reason why the Washington trade would happen...... 1st round pick, McGee and Arena's for a bunch of no good Centers and Diaw............



The most reasonable thing they've posted in that blog so far is letting Felton walk and Signing TT to a 3 year deal.

Edited by carpanfan96, 06 June 2010 - 03:12 PM.


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Posted 06 June 2010 - 03:06 PM

If only Madden made an NBA game then the cycle would be complete. :(

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 04:33 PM

[quote name='carpanfan96']not saying I'm a member of the Cats.... [QUOTE]

Then how about not stating your opinion as fact then? Sorry if I'm being an ass, but that's one thing that always bothers me. If its your opinion, state it as such. I try to do it as much as possible. :) I think the deals they've proposed (especially in Part B) are all pretty plausible.

[quote name='carpanfan96']2. The trade doesn't help the bobcats it actually hurts them long run by adding more cap onto a team that's already strapped next season.[/QUOTE]

How does it add more cap? Diaw makes $9MM in '10/'11 and $9MM in '11/'12. Hinrich makes $9MM in '10/'11 and 8MM in '11/'12, meaning we actually are helping our cap situation.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 06:15 PM

Then how about not stating your opinion as fact then? Sorry if I'm being an ass, but that's one thing that always bothers me. If its your opinion, state it as such. I try to do it as much as possible. :) I think the deals they've proposed (especially in Part B) are all pretty plausible.



How does it add more cap? Diaw makes $9MM in '10/'11 and $9MM in '11/'12. Hinrich makes $9MM in '10/'11 and 8MM in '11/'12, meaning we actually are helping our cap situation.



I was talking about the Mohammed - nocioni trade that has the Bobcats picking up an additional year in a sub par big man - sub par big man swap. If you keep Mohammed he comes off the books after the coming season.

On the flip side, besides for Wallace and Jackson he's actually one of the few players that could be easily traded.

However getting back to the Hinrich trade, if the bulls do trade him they are going to be looking for something substantial in return. I don't think a Diaw for Hinrich will be enough to entice the bulls into trading him. Especially with the PG free agent market the way it is.

Also it's not just Opinion on the trades and why they are most likely not going to happen. It's logic, The Bobcats are screwed cap wise, they have 10 players signed for next year and are already over the cap. This is counting a qualified offer for TT at 6.6 million ( which is probably on the low end if they resign him). The only way they get out of it is by giving up a key player. The Bobcats have a choice - be a mediocre/30-45 win team for the next 3 years or try moving a piece now.

So lets take a look at the roster and who's actually worth something and could help the cats both long term and short term.

DJ - Young, but with how rocky last season was - probably not a lot of trade value. Doubtful he would be traded unless it landed a substantial player or pick back.

Henderson - no playing time last season and at this moment the team most likely isn't looking to trade him,...

Diaw - One of the only assets the team has for trades, especially if TT is resigned to a deal. However he makes 18 million over the next two seasons.

Diop - Unmovable - as mentioned above. Makes 20 million over the next three years with the third year a player option at 7.3 million.

Mohammed - Asset, expiring deal worth 6.8 million.

Chandler - Player option worth 12.75 million - expiring deal - Asset if a team is willing to take on his contract for a season. However it's very doubtfully that a team is going to send a player worth the 13 million back..... More then likely would only be traded if packaged with other players.

Ajinca - enough said, has ton of upside. Just doesn't seem to get it or something and isn't really a trade asset with his contract. Has three years left, year two is a team option and year three a player option.

Thomas - Not going to be traded just after being resigned, if they can manage to do so. Giving up a 1st rounder for a rental would suck....

Wallace - Definitely an asset - Great all around player and an excellent defender. Has 3 years and 30 million left on his contract, the last year being a player option. My favorite player and one I think is probably untouchable in trade....He's still one of the team's best trade pieces.

Jackson - 3 years 27 million left - easily the best trade asset the team has. Proven scorer and a good defender. He's getting up there in age and it's no telling how much he has left. It's probably the best time to trade him as his value is high after last season.

So all the players that are currently signed or are expected to be back.

So that's Diaw, Jackson, Wallace and Mohammed as the team's trade assets that are movable to the point where something good could be had in return. With a possibility on Chandler.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 09:05 PM

I'll be honest and say I'm not a fan of the Mohammed-Nocioni deal, but I think you're overvaluing Hinrich. Because of his contract and fairly poor play the past two years, he's not going to command a large return. In my opinion, the likely scenario for a Hinrich trade would be bad contract for bad contract.

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Posted 06 June 2010 - 10:04 PM

I'll be honest and say I'm not a fan of the Mohammed-Nocioni deal, but I think you're overvaluing Hinrich. Because of his contract and fairly poor play the past two years, he's not going to command a large return. In my opinion, the likely scenario for a Hinrich trade would be bad contract for bad contract.


I'm not over valuing him, I think he's a good PG though. He's a solid big defensive minded PG that's a decent shooter and passer. The last two years he's been coming off the bench and or playing the 2 spot. He isn't a 2 guard and is a starter quality PG imo. The Market is what over values him, a lot of teams would be interested in him. I mean there isn't a lot of Pg options out there in FA.

However Chicago is looking to use him in a sign and trade with Deng to get either Johnson, Bosh or James.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:36 PM

so im jus throwin this out there.... im not sure if the salaries match, but what would yall think of trading diaw for tony parker? we could stilll resign TT who i want to start anyway, then let felton walk

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 06:44 PM

so im jus throwin this out there.... im not sure if the salaries match, but what would yall think of trading diaw for tony parker? we could stilll resign TT who i want to start anyway, then let felton walk


Great trade for the Bobcats but it takes two to tango and the Spurs aren't biting on that trade.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 07:45 PM

If Chandler opts out, that adds a lot more things that can be done this offseason.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 08:37 AM

With the rumors flying around in FA about a possible Wade, Lebron, and Bosh trifecta in Miami, Miami must move Beasley to make that happen.

With that being the case, the Bobs should look into moving Diaw and taking Beasley off of Miami's hands. Heck I bet Miami would trade Beasley and a 1st round pick for a future 2nd.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:35 AM

Even though I had a very similar idea earlier, I don't think it will happen now, especially not with Diaw. They'd be taking back much more money than they'd be sending, which would defeat the purpose of trading Beasley.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 08:51 PM

If Felton walks, we may be glad that we have Augustin.


No we won't.

Augustine won't all of a sudden become an NBA point guard.

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Posted 29 June 2010 - 09:00 PM

With the rumors flying around in FA about a possible Wade, Lebron, and Bosh trifecta in Miami, Miami must move Beasley to make that happen.

With that being the case, the Bobs should look into moving Diaw and taking Beasley off of Miami's hands. Heck I bet Miami would trade Beasley and a 1st round pick for a future 2nd.


Nevermind my last post, now I see what you're saying. The only problem is that we've already QO'd Thomas, and he wants to stay here. If we could pull off a trade for Beasley, sign-and-trade Thomas for a quality PG, then send Diaw away for a bag of chips, we'd be a better team. If the Knicks don't get a PF in free agency, I'm sure D'Antoni would like to get Diaw back.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:03 AM

Ronnie Brewer was not given a qualifying offer by Memphis, making him a free agent. He's never lived up to expectations, but I think he'd make a good swingman with us if we could get him on the right deal. His reputation as a lock-down defender only helps his cause.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:15 AM

Nevermind my last post, now I see what you're saying. The only problem is that we've already QO'd Thomas, and he wants to stay here. If we could pull off a trade for Beasley, sign-and-trade Thomas for a quality PG, then send Diaw away for a bag of chips, we'd be a better team. If the Knicks don't get a PF in free agency, I'm sure D'Antoni would like to get Diaw back.


Beasley can play some 3 in a pinch. There are enough minutes to go around between all of the players.

I wouldn't mind seeing an occasional small lineup of

Ford
Jax
Wallace
Beasley
TT

That lineup could get up and down the court and Wallace and TT are such good rebounders that the Bobs wouldn't get destroyed on the glass.


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