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#16 YourMomsLover

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:23 PM

That's a good point KatzAss...I really never thought about evolving with the team. Good point bud!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:32 PM

One big thing that could warrent Fox walking is his play "not to lose". mode.

When he first got here, lets be honest, we didn't have the talent to compete, so he was 150% correct in his strategy: slow the games down, run the clock down, grind it out, keep it close, and hope to win it in the end. But sometimes I feel that he hasn't evolved with the team.

Our talent level now is MUCH better than when he took over. We now have the talent to actually whip up on some teams. Yet...seems his strategy doesn't change. He still coaches like our talent is inferior. This a sure fire plan for failure unless luck is on your side and my opinion is that JR is fed up with that type strategy.

I don't think he's playing not to win so much, as he knows a good winning formula. That is controlling the clock/tempo of the game, and play good defense. Doesn't matter the talent level on the team, that strategy still wins when executed.

I don't know what yall expect from him. To have Davidson call mostly passing plays, and throwing the ball all over the field? That works real well. :rolleyes:

I do say we need to be more balanced, and mix up the play calling better than we have.

I doubt JR is fed up with that strategy just cause the fans are.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:34 PM

Is this not the ultimate test to see how good of a coach Fox really is??!!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:36 PM

I don't think he's playing not to win so much, as he knows a good winning formula. That is controlling the clock/tempo of the game, and play good defense. Doesn't matter the talent level on the team, that strategy still wins when executed.

I don't know what yall expect from him. To have Davidson call mostly passing plays, and throwing the ball all over the field? That works real well. :rolleyes:

I do say we need to be more balanced, and mix up the play calling better than we have.

I doubt JR is fed up with that strategy just cause the fans are.


Now that we have a few good qbs, maybe we can be a little more balanced now

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:41 PM

Is this not the ultimate test to see how good of a coach Fox really is??!!


Yes it is. Let's give Fox a clean slate this year. But it he messes up again....Good times but you gotta go

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:42 PM

If Jerry Richardson is fed up with the way John Fox runs this team, he just needs to hire an elite defensive coordinator. Confused? Well Bill Cowher's, the man that some Panthers fans and the media seems to think is the answer to our "problems", winning percentage without Dick LeBeau on his staff is worse than John Fox's winning percentage with us. Dick LeBeau has also been on the Steelers staff for all of their recent Super Bowl wins.

So if JR is tired of us being a "mediocre team", he needs to go out and hire an elite defensive coordinator, or maybe in our case an offensive coordinator, for Fox because it sure worked for the Steelers

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:44 PM

Is this not the ultimate test to see how good of a coach Fox really is??!!

Fox is a good coach.
I think that is what most fans fear. That Fox will get this team to a winning season, and he'll be extended, again.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:11 PM

Fox is a good coach.
I think that is what most fans fear. That Fox will get this team to a winning season, and he'll be extended, again.


What exactly will Fox show Richardson that he hasn't already done over the last 8 years?

Have back to back winning seasons? Can't do that this year.

Win with a bunch of backups and replacements. He showed in 2004 that he can do that.

Take a team to the Superbowl. Yeah he did that.

Win a Superbowl? Won't do that this year either.

The bottom line is that richardson has enough to know if he is the future or not. Not extending him already clearly shows me at least that he has made up his mind and is just letting Fox coach this year to not lose 6 million by firing him and if there is a lockout next year, won't have to pay anybody.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:15 PM

nice new avie panther55

#25 panthers55

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 12:17 PM

nice new avie panther55


Thanks, since cowgirls were the new hot avatar, thought I might put in my vote.:D

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:06 PM

If Jerry Richardson is fed up with the way John Fox runs this team, he just needs to hire an elite defensive coordinator. Confused? Well Bill Cowher's, the man that some Panthers fans and the media seems to think is the answer to our "problems", winning percentage without Dick LeBeau on his staff is worse than John Fox's winning percentage with us. Dick LeBeau has also been on the Steelers staff for all of their recent Super Bowl wins.

So if JR is tired of us being a "mediocre team", he needs to go out and hire an elite defensive coordinator, or maybe in our case an offensive coordinator, for Fox because it sure worked for the Steelers


i think we have one of the best offensive co-ordinators in the league. I'm not impressed with meeks yet, but getting a new DC would just set us back again. i think meeks may be able to set up an elite defense like he had at indy if he has a draft or two to pick up the right peices. it'lll be kinda hard for us to find our version of bob sanders and dwight freeney.

#27 Jangler

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:14 PM

If JR is really fed up with Fox, why give him another year? Just fire him! What if we go 19-0? 18-1? 17-2? what then? Just let a winning SB coach walk away? No. JR likes the way Fox coaches. Most of us may not...but JR does. One last chance. Superbowl or bust is all about Fox.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:46 PM

i think we have one of the best offensive co-ordinators in the league. I'm not impressed with meeks yet, but getting a new DC would just set us back again. i think meeks may be able to set up an elite defense like he had at indy if he has a draft or two to pick up the right peices. it'lll be kinda hard for us to find our version of bob sanders and dwight freeney.


That post is more a stab at seemingly everyone's favorite replacement, Bill Cowher, than it is a condemnation of Davidson/Meeks.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:56 PM

If JR is really fed up with Fox, why give him another year? Just fire him! What if we go 19-0? 18-1? 17-2? what then? Just let a winning SB coach walk away? No. JR likes the way Fox coaches. Most of us may not...but JR does. One last chance. Superbowl or bust is all about Fox.


I can give you 6 million guaranteed reasons. With all the cost cutting he did, do you really think he would fire Fox and pay him 6 million dollars. Then he had to find a new coach and pay him potentially as much as well as pay him in 2011 if there is a lockout. Especially on the heels of paying Jake 10 million and getting rid of him?
This way he spends the 6 million doesn't have to hire another guy and can spend nothing next year if there is a lockout. By gutting the team anyway he knows the chance to go to the playoffs isn't good no matter what the schedule.

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Posted 12 May 2010 - 03:58 PM

Personally, I think we are a better team right now, so I don't buy that theory.


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