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#16 WilkinsonDonnie

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:49 PM

A safety goes down you use a WLB o fill in...maybe in middle school football

but tons of teams have depth concerns, like person said earlier if Peyton Manning goes down theyre stuck with Curtis Painter who looked horrible against Buffalo last year and would crush the Colts hopes of a post season. I think its easier for someone to fill in at S i.e.Chris Horton with the Redskins and how good he did for a udfa, Im glad we have good depth at the more important positions i.e.LT QB RB

Are we seriously using madden logic in the real life. You can put any olb and change their position to DE and they become like one of the best players in the league. That just does not happen in real life, but one thing that happened in real life that couldnt with madden is the Browns using Furrey a WR at S who filled in descently.

Edited by WilkinsonDonnie, 20 May 2010 - 07:51 PM.


#17 FuzzyPanther

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 07:59 PM

where did you get this logic from???


I'm not the end-all, know-all, be-all of football, admittedly, BUT, I have played it beginning in the 4th grade (10-11 yrs old, and ending beyond the age of 30), and I played primarily in the back 7 on defense (not saying I'm God's gift to football by any means, but I have "played the game" at "some level", so I know a little bit:

Brian Urlacher (I understand he's a pretty darn good LB) was originally a safety.

http://en.wikipedia..../Brian_Urlacher

"Urlacher became a “Lobo-Back,” a cross between a linebacker and safety, and garnered much success in Long's 3–3–5 defense." (During College)

There is also a LB for the Panthers, Thomas Davis, who is an example of my assertion:

http://en.wikipedia....rican_football)

"The University of Georgia offered him a scholarship after a coach saw him play a basketball game. He was voted a consensus All-American free safety after his junior season in 2004. Even though he was drafted as a safety in the 2005 NFL Draft, he was converted to linebacker during his rookie year."

Defense can rotate guys, and it is usually one position over, and it is all contingent on the specific abilities and attributes of the players, the down, distance and situation, and the levity of the game. All coaches know they can move one position front or back, based on the following scale (w/ a 4-3 scheme assumed): CB to FS, FS to SS, SS to WLB, WLB to MLB, MLB to SLB, SLB to "speed"DE, "speed"DE to "power"DE, power DE to UnderTackle, UnderTackle to OverTackle

where did you get this logic from???


So, to answer more succinctly: That's what defense is. Go talk to your local middle-school coach, he can explain it in further detail. But a FS is not far from a CB, and a SS is not far from a WLB. That's how this game works, even if you hate new members of the forum, and their opinions of the game.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:00 PM

Furrey was a S with the Lions before he became a WR. Just sayin'.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:12 PM

I'm not the end-all, know-all, be-all of football, admittedly, BUT, I have played it beginning in the 4th grade (10-11 yrs old, and ending beyond the age of 30), and I played primarily in the back 7 on defense (not saying I'm God's gift to football by any means, but I have "played the game" at "some level", so I know a little bit:

Brian Urlacher (I understand he's a pretty darn good LB) was originally a safety.

http://en.wikipedia..../Brian_Urlacher

"Urlacher became a “Lobo-Back,” a cross between a linebacker and safety, and garnered much success in Long's 3–3–5 defense." (During College)

There is also a LB for the Panthers, Thomas Davis, who is an example of my assertion:

http://en.wikipedia....rican_football)

"The University of Georgia offered him a scholarship after a coach saw him play a basketball game. He was voted a consensus All-American free safety after his junior season in 2004. Even though he was drafted as a safety in the 2005 NFL Draft, he was converted to linebacker during his rookie year."

Defense can rotate guys, and it is usually one position over, and it is all contingent on the specific abilities and attributes of the players, the down, distance and situation, and the levity of the game. All coaches know they can move one position front or back, based on the following scale (w/ a 4-3 scheme assumed): CB to FS, FS to SS, SS to WLB, WLB to MLB, MLB to SLB, SLB to "speed"DE, "speed"DE to "power"DE, power DE to UnderTackle, UnderTackle to OverTackle



So, to answer more succinctly: That's what defense is. Go talk to your local middle-school coach, he can explain it in further detail. But a FS is not far from a CB, and a SS is not far from a WLB. That's how this game works, even if you hate new members of the forum, and their opinions of the game.


lol I dont hate you..Sure its possible to move CB to S and vice versa..but thats not something to depend on just because sometimes that experiment fails.Its also good for some players to stick to one position.But you cant move players all around like madden.

#20 FuzzyPanther

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 08:55 PM

I'm not trying to start any wars, I do love friendly disagreement, (and I assure you, "Madden" or whatever the other video games are, haven't had much input on my opinion of football) but the reality, pro or otherwise, is this: DB's are generally "frustrated RB's".

Furthermore, CB's are typically the fastest guys on D. A FS is the guy who couldn't live up to the CB standard, but could play DB. A SS is the guy who was a bit too small to play in the box. (Yes, that's at the lower levels of football, but that doesn't mean it doesn't apply.)

If the FS goes down, I don't look at my Safety depth chart of two guys and freak out... if I have a nickel corner who can play the position at a competitive level, and who understands the coverage calls. The FS makes all the coverage calls, so he's like the QB of the pass defense. If I want to run an underneath zone on the strong pass side, w/ a Cover 1 over the top, and a Man on the weak pass side in an audible area for defense, I need my FS to know when to make that call, and be confident in it. If my nickel-back is capable of doing this, and is the best athlete at that position, then he's the guy I put in to get it done, regardless of who is listed at 2nd string FS. The same applies for the mike in all the run adjustments, he's like the QB of the run defense. Same crap, different level.

This doesn't happen in a vacuum, and just because it's the pro level, coaches will put the most effective player at the best position. So, if my 2nd string SS isn't as good at the position as my first string Will, then Will is going to SS and 2nd string Will is coming in.

The point is, defensively at least, Safety is not a priority position (look at their pay). It can be covered from two different areas (LB or CB), because it's a hybrid position. That's not to say you can't have amazing, game altering, all-pro safeties running around, because you can. However, if they go down, they can be back-filled from several areas, and that's my point. I don't get freaked out over a Safety.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 10:39 PM

The fact is Fox can find a starting S in a barrel of monkeys. Let me throw two names out there for you Deke Cooper and Marlon McCree. We made both of these scrubs into Starting material.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 10:49 PM

It won't be just at safety but at most positions as well. Backups are now starters and their backups are going to be guys with little to no game experience. Even the starters in many cases will have little or no game experience as well. This article just points out the tip of the iceburg. Anyone who can't see that is being blinded by the koolaid spray.

#23 cookinbrak

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 11:19 PM

Where to begin...?

Francisco and Hudson are career special-teamers.


That means they aren't good as position players.

DBs (or CBs) are WRs that can't catch.

Thomas Davis got screwed out of 2 years of his career because coaches kept trying to make him play a position he wasn't suited for.

#24 Wither

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:14 AM

Are we seriously using madden logic in the real life. You can put any olb and change their position to DE and they become like one of the best players in the league. That just does not happen in real life, but one thing that happened in real life that couldnt with madden is the Browns using Furrey a WR at S who filled in descently.


No poo sherlock; this is hardly a serious message board.

#25 DaCityKats

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:25 AM

I can see a cb getting switched to safety prime example antrel rolle but a wlb switching to safetry is highly unlikey .that will be setting yourself for failure.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 12:53 AM

Seriously? FS and SS are both the definition of hybrids. Free Safety is a CB lacking speed, and SS is a linebacker lacking size... Those are the positions that you put play-makers who don't fit prototype size/speed combo's. A Safety goes down, you put a CB or WLB there... this is a non-issue, and almost silly to worry about. If you've got plenty of LB's and CB's, then you're fine at either S position.


how the fug is a SS an undersized LB?

#27 jramsey4

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:05 AM

We are going to wish we picked up Aaron Webster as a UDFA. Ideal SS in our Scheme.

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:28 AM

at least we will have more lb s than any other team in the NFL

#29 MadHatter

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:32 AM

It won't be just at safety but at most positions as well. Backups are now starters and their backups are going to be guys with little to no game experience. Even the starters in many cases will have little or no game experience as well. This article just points out the tip of the iceburg. Anyone who can't see that is being blinded by the koolaid spray.


I agree that we do have young guys with tons of talent that need to step up.

But, your attempt to write off this season as a failure....or to assume that the guys we have are not of the caliber of the aging vets that they replaced....proves you are suffering from the "Chicken Little Syndrom". :nono:

#30 cookinbrak

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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:37 AM

No poo sherlock; this is hardly a serious message board.

So that's why there are so many 12 year olds here. When did it change?


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