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I don't see why we can't make the playoffs this year.

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Predictions by fans and the media mean nothing....SI picked the Bears to win the Super Bowl and New Orleans to finish 24th about this time last year...we'll know more about the qb position in the preseason.

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Of course, we could always trade a 5th round pick for a 3-4 DE who doesn't fit the scheme if the run D looks like poo in the preseason.

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Using that logic, I guess we cut/trade Steve Smith so Lafell can start?

yeah, Fox would've started Dan Morgan over Jon Beason if he would've been healthy. And the only reason Beason saw playing time at MLB was because Morgan was injured... which is why James Anderson and Dan Connor got a chance to play last season... then Fox realized that these two guys have learned enough now that they can be starters. It's not always "start an aging vet" over a younger player... sometimes he actually evaluates his players... and sometimes he's wrong, it happens. He's only human...

I think you were taking my statement a little far. I obviously didn't mean this for every player on the team. If you take every statement so literal I'm willing to bet you walk around in life thoroughly confused all the time. I was simply stating that giving the option, John Fox, has and will always start a vet over a young talent, even if the talent is out preforming the vet in practice.

Foster over Deangelo

Delhomme over Moore

Harris over Godfrey/Martin

the list goes on, its been a constant with him.

I do agree that Fox is one of the best coaches in the league, but this is a fault he has, he is imminently loyal to his veterans.

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I agree floppin. Finally someone upstairs is forcing him to open up his traditional mind with some young talent. He is in his last year so I doubt all these new guys were his idea. Fox may not like it but he might have to actually coach a team and actually coach QB skills instead of intangibles. I think he'll do fine.

I am not a Fox hater, I think he is great but no coach is perfect.

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I don't buy the "weren't good enough to start with us last year" argument that everyone likes to throw out there. You do realize who our coach is? Mr. "he gives us the best chance to win" Fox. Fox has repeatedly and without fail started an aging vet over the talented youngster. You really want to tell me that Matt Moore wasn't a better option than Jake for pretty much all of last season. Ohh right, he wasn't good enough to start then so he's obviously not now.

yeah, Fox would've started Dan Morgan over Jon Beason if he would've been healthy. And the only reason Beason saw playing time at MLB was because Morgan was injured... which is why James Anderson and Dan Connor got a chance to play last season... then Fox realized that these two guys have learned enough now that they can be starters. It's not always "start an aging vet" over a younger player... sometimes he actually evaluates his players... and sometimes he's wrong, it happens. He's only human...

And IMO, John Fox is one of the best coaches in the league right now, I don't care what anyone says. There's only two or three coaches in the league right now that I'd want instead of him... one's retired, one just got a new job in Washington, and the other will never leave New England. Well... I would definitely consider Lezlie Frazier... but other than that...

Actually, in Beason's rookie year Fox started Beason and Morgan side-by-side, with Diggs on the bench. When Morgan got injured, Beason slid over to the middle and that was that.

When they took Gamble they actually dumped both CBs from the previous year and started him.

They had several veteran safeties on the roster, but started Godfrey when Minter retired.

They have consistently put rookies on the field in favor of veterans. It's just not the rookies of a few loud posters, which is why they get this rep.

I think you were taking my statement a little far. I obviously didn't mean this for every player on the team. If you take every statement so literal I'm willing to bet you walk around in life thoroughly confused all the time. I was simply stating that giving the option, John Fox, has and will always start a vet over a young talent, even if the talent is out preforming the vet in practice.

Foster over Deangelo

Delhomme over Moore

Harris over Godfrey/Martin

the list goes on, its been a constant with him.

I do agree that Fox is one of the best coaches in the league, but this is a fault he has, he is imminently loyal to his veterans.

Williams couldn't block his rookie year, something he's acknowledged and the reason Foster started. He's improved every year, but didn't really break out until they drafted Stewart in the offseason where he was inspired by a talk he had with Vinny T.

Delhomme looked miles better than Moore in the preseason, and if McCown wasn't on IR he would have been the starter late last year. That's not because of Fox, it's because of Moore. And it's why some people aren't too sure he'll be great this eyar.

Harris over Godfrey/Martin? Are you serious? Based on what?

If the list goes on, how about going on with it?

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Exactly. We will be a worse team without Delhomme, Peppers slacking off, and old ass FB with injures and a bunch of rotational guys. What ever will we do with another WR, TD back at lineback , a young DE with heart along with young guys who actually want to play.

Delhomme looked miles better than Moore in the preseason, and if McCown wasn't on IR he would have been the starter late last year.

Interesting. How did Jake look in the real season 5 games in? Yet Fox started him. Everyone knows it takes Fox a little extra time to come around.

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Actually, in Beason's rookie year Fox started Beason and Morgan side-by-side, with Diggs on the bench. When Morgan got injured, Beason slid over to the middle and that was that.

When they took Gamble they actually dumped both CBs from the previous year and started him.

They had several veteran safeties on the roster, but started Godfrey when Minter retired.

They have consistently put rookies on the field in favor of veterans. It's just not the rookies of a few loud posters, which is why they get this rep.

Williams couldn't block his rookie year, something he's acknowledged and the reason Foster started. He's improved every year, but didn't really break out until they drafted Stewart in the offseason where he was inspired by a talk he had with Vinny T.

Delhomme looked miles better than Moore in the preseason, and if McCown wasn't on IR he would have been the starter late last year. That's not because of Fox, it's because of Moore. And it's why some people aren't too sure he'll be great this eyar.

Harris over Godfrey/Martin? Are you serious? Based on what?

If the list goes on, how about going on with it?

The only reason that rookies have started is because of FO moves to release these veterans. If these veterans are on the team at the start of the season they will start, and even if they struggle they will continue to start until the end of the season when the FO makes a move and releases them. Then Fox is forced to play some young talent. The only reason McCown was ahead on the depth chart is because they didn't trust an unproven young talent so instead they placed an NFL game experienced proven loser ahead of him for "veteran's security" sake

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I was simply stating that giving the option, John Fox, has and will always start a vet over a young talent, even if the talent is out preforming the vet in practice.

Harris over Godfrey/Martin

I do agree that Fox is one of the best coaches in the league, but this is a fault he has, he is imminently loyal to his veterans.

There was a reason Harris was the starter. And the reason he got traded has nothing to do with payroll or the talent behind him.

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I liked Harris as a starter, I liked him as a leader and respect all the things he did while he was here. He was a pass coverage liability, last year especially, surely you can see that.

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I agree floppin. Finally someone upstairs is forcing him to open up his traditional mind with some young talent. He is in his last year so I doubt all these new guys were his idea. Fox may not like it but he might have to actually coach a team and actually coach QB skills instead of intangibles. I think he'll do fine.

I am not a Fox hater, I think he is great but no coach is perfect.

I think the Jake Delhomme ordeal caused the mass exodus of older players where we had younger ones waiting behind them. I think at the end of the season Richardson told Fox what the deal was and thats why they allowed him to seek other employment if he was not happy with what was going on. Richardson has taken more control over this organization then ever before.

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