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Highlandfire

I don't see why we can't make the playoffs this year.

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It would appear on the surface that Moore is not the guy - at least that's the signal the Panthers have cureently sent. With Moore being a restricted free agent and with little to no playing time under his belt, the Panthers could have signed him to a long term deal in the neighborhood of 4-6 million. Instead, they sign him to a 1-year deal worth about 3.2 million, draft not 1 but 2 QB's whose combined salary will be less than what it will take to sign Moore to an extension now and they have a lame duck coach.

All of this happened after they sent Delhomme packing. The Panthers are clearly not committed to Moore at this time and IMO, not only his play but his future contract demands will warrant him being benched sooner than later.

If the Panthers have no intention of commiting to Moore, which it is apparent at this time they do not, then look for Pike/Clausen to get maximum playing time to determine who the face of the franchise will be in 2011 and beyond.

Are you just trying to be funny...or are you truly the byproduct of bad genes?

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Fox has been the coach here for eight years. In that time he's started Foster over Williams, and Delhomme over Moore (both decisions that probably would have been made by 3/4 of the coaches around the league). He also went with Morgan longer than he should have, and maybe Rucker too (although there wasn't anyone behind him). Is there anything I'm missing here? What other players has he stuck with while the internet community insisted he move on? In that time he's also started a ton of rookies, and won more games than all but a small handfull of other coaches.

So where is the pattern? What do you have outside of the names I just mentioned? If he takes too much time to come around, to what should he come around to now?

You answered your own question. Except this person and this person who has he waited on....I mean come on now really? He is pretty much forced to come around ( take a chance) at this point form multiple angles. Unless he decided to coach this year differently with a bunch of rookies and young guys while also all of a sudden deciding he could do it with half the year's salary than last years' and convinced the FO that is what they all should do. But he didn't, the FO is really testing Foxs' worth this year.

But to be clear you guys are saying Fox prefers young talent over Vets right? and you guys probably believe Jake actually broke his finger too..

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Fox has played plenty of rookies since he's been here. Not all of them have started, but many of them have gotten significant playing time as rookies when they have earned it.

Every good NFL HC will go with a proven vet over a rookie every single time unless the rookie is obviously better in every aspect of the game. There is a reason why Tom Brady didn't get to play until Bledsoe got hurt.

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I don't agree with that. Moore was third on the depth chart, and our second QB got injured. And Jake had a strong history with the club--he didn't lose the locker room at all. Moore was good as a rookie, but not great, and he had disappointed the staff every time he had the opportunity since then. I think it's great that he did so well, but at the same time you need to acknowledge that having a defense give up less than 10 points a game makes it easy to go 4-1 (with the 1 being the time they gave up 20 to the Pats). And if Moore had flopped everyone would be crucifying Fox for not having a backup QB, right?

Fox has been the coach here for eight years. In that time he's started Foster over Williams, and Delhomme over Moore (both decisions that probably would have been made by 3/4 of the coaches around the league). He also went with Morgan longer than he should have, and maybe Rucker too (although there wasn't anyone behind him). Is there anything I'm missing here? What other players has he stuck with while the internet community insisted he move on? In that time he's also started a ton of rookies, and won more games than all but a small handfull of other coaches.

So where is the pattern? What do you have outside of the names I just mentioned? If he takes too much time to come around, to what should he come around to now?

I'm serious, act like I became a Panther fan yesterday and give me a history of the franchise that suggests you're even close to the truth here.

i agree 95% dead on. the only thing i dont agree with was that fox didnt start Rucker too long, accually, we still havent replaced rucker to this day. rucker, even when he only had 2 sacks on the season, was still great against the run, and was part of a gruesome front 4 that have all dissapeared now. accually, we havent been able to replace anybody on that line, much less rucker...

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might seem like it would be easy but we have unproven players. Plus you play the games because what is on paper doesnt always translate to the field. Injuries, Luck, mistakes and penalties are always unpredictable and plays a big factor in winning. we also have two other teams are proven to be winners.

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This is the first year I've felt better about our offense going into a season. I just don't see how we're going to stop the run when our starting DT's are Tank Tyler and Louis Leonard.

same here

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You answered your own question. Except this person and this person who has he waited on....I mean come on now really? He is pretty much forced to come around ( take a chance) at this point form multiple angles. Unless he decided to coach this year differently with a bunch of rookies and young guys while also all of a sudden deciding he could do it with half the year's salary than last years' and convinced the FO that is what they all should do. But he didn't, the FO is really testing Foxs' worth this year.

But to be clear you guys are saying Fox prefers young talent over Vets right? and you guys probably believe Jake actually broke his finger too..

I answered my own question? I guess I did--and it shreds your point. You have nothing but two incidents in eight years with which you can characterize Fox that way, and I even offered you two others that would be stretches but it goes no further. I'm sorry, but you have nothing to stand on in your characterization. And in that it doesn't surprise me that you tried to put it back on me.

Fox doesn't do what you say he does, plain and simple. And that's a good thing. :)

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Solid Defense, Great OL, Great Running game and I feel we will have solid play at QB.

I just don't buy into the gloom and doom.

Still-developing defense, good OL, great running game, and maybe solid QB play.

Moreover, there are rookies at key positions, and 2-3 year old "vets" who are still green (our QBs being among that number).

I don't buy into the gloom and doom either, but realistically there are several reasons I can see us not making the playoffs this year. But, being an optimist, I hope that we do.

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We have an elite running game, elite O-line, elite receiver, solid QB. We have a great secondary and one of the best LB cores in the entire league. Our ST's should improve dramatically with all the FA's we signed to address that need. The only concerns are the d-line, where I think Brown and Johnson will break-out as great pass rushers, and overall depth. We have what looks to be an easy schedule and if we can stay healthy we have a great chance to make the play-offs.

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I answered my own question? I guess I did--and it shreds your point. You have nothing but two incidents in eight years with which you can characterize Fox that way, and I even offered you two others that would be stretches but it goes no further. I'm sorry, but you have nothing to stand on in your characterization. And in that it doesn't surprise me that you tried to put it back on me.

Fox doesn't do what you say he does, plain and simple. And that's a good thing. :)

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if we don't make the playoffs it's because of our d-line

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I don't know what franchise you think this is, but we are not the raiders or the skins. They aren't forcing fox to play any certain players. The front office is obviously working within a buget that they have in mind. Fox is not the kind of guy that would stay anywhere if someone was telling him\forcing him how to coach/run the team. You guys have literally ran wild with the idea that richardson is running this team like davis runs the raiders, putting his hands in everything. That is not richardson. He hired guys to run the football operations of the franchise, and he let's them do it.

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