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[panthers55]

The NFLPA is legally challenging the NFL's concessions to the TV stations in order to receive billions of dollars even if there is a lockout next year. The players contend the deal was made without their consent, hurts them financially and that the concessions were given out of their share of the money not the owners.
It is a long read but interesting. It doesn't sound as if the CBA is going to be resolved any time soon though.

http://www.nflplayer...nteed-tv-deals/

[DaCityKats]

no football in 2011?when will they realize they will lose more money by not playing next year.

[Tensor]

only the big time stars can afford to hold out. Many of your younger players will be ready to give in after a few weeks of not getting paid. The way I see it, the owners hold all the cards.

[Rhys]

Flunk the owners. Have they even released their actual profits yet? They've been withholding information purposely from the start from what I've read.

[DaCityKats]

exactly, man i hate the owners.rich fugers.........

[panthers55]

I surely would like to see some more transparency in the budgets and figures so we could see what side to support in all this. It doesn't seem that the owners are being very upfront about the money and at the same time is driving the whole lockout movement. Right now it is hard to support them when it looks like they are trying to hide the facts.

[Snake]

What other job can you go into and make millions a year and have no work experience..... IMO Players get paid well for what they do. Even late round rookies get paid at or over 100,000 a year now. How many jobs do you know that pays that much right out of a 4 year collage.

[Rhys]

What other job can you go into and make millions a year and have no work experience..... IMO Players get paid well for what they do. Even late round rookies get paid at or over 100,000 a year now. How many jobs do you know that pays that much right out of a 4 year collage.

Not many, and it is certainly aggravating to me who has a 4 year degree from NCSU and can't find a job in my field right now.

But the owners hold all the chips. You have to understand, athletes are overpaid for sure, but most have short careers, the average NFL player plays in the league for something like 3 years. It's a hell of a lot easier for me to sympathize with the players than it is for the owners. Many of these kids come out of small towns and have got no shot at 'success' other than sports and they work their tails of to get where they are.

Richardson is one of the few exceptions as he made his own way to fortune, but even he is privileged. I'm pretty sure a white male growing up in NC in the 40s-50s had a better shot than most. There are exceptions, but the large majority of owners are filthy rich and if you think an athlete is overpaid I'd like to know what your thoughts are on owners.

The NFL has always been about parity, monetarily and competitively, we have no A-Rods or Yankees, players who get paid more than entire teams. If I knew that the owners were wanting a larger slice of the pie so that they could disperse wealth more evenly and give back to the fans, I'd be all for it, but the lack of transparency with their records is a red flag to me.

This may be an ignorant bias but I'd rather see money go to players who seemingly spend their money and allow the American system to flow rather than owners who are in all likelihood just investing it and freezing it up in large companies, banks, etc.

[Rhys]

Plus, there's little to no security for most players. There's a lot of guys out there that have families and this is their main source of income, this is their shot for most of their lives. Whereas an owner can easily survive with no NFL with all the capital they have and all the money they have coming in.

The owners are the ones causing the fuss. They are the ones who don't want to continue under the current CBA. They think hey we don't make enough, the players get too much money, lets force the issue and threaten a lockout. And yes, there are guys who do get paid way too much, they receive all the press, but there is a gigantic host of other jobs associated with the NFL that will be affected by a lockout. I'd like to see them agree on deals that make things less top heavy, but they're trying to make it even more top heavy. Anyways..

/end rant

[Rhys]

Lol, one more thing...

Watch Hard Knocks, in particular the most recent one with the Bengals.

Then tell me if you sympathize more with the guys out there working their asses off in the heat or the owners riding around in their golf carts every few days managing their money making machine they call a team.

[Frizzy350]

considering as it stands, the owners dole out about 60% of their income (not profits!) to the players. 40% goes to them, but they need to cover stadium expenses (cleaning crews, concession workers, concession items, water, electric, security, emergency personnel), the training and medical staff, training facilities, team transportation and lodging, and salaries for all the other people who work for the team (PR reps, secretaries, etc). running a business/franchise is never as simple or easy as someone thinks it is.

these owners also have had to work quite a bit harder than these athletes do. they had to actually try in school, graduate from college with a legitimate degree, then take risk after risk to gain the financial security needed to actually own a team. i mean look at reggie bush, him and his family were given huge sums of money from the hard working students at USC so he could take a nice easy ride through school studying for that communications degree (if he even graduated that is). then he gets a rookie contract that sets him for life, he got to bang kim kardashian, won a super bowl, and has yet to even be a successful nfl player. boy do i feel bad for him.

granted reggie bush is a unique example, but still, these athletes are catered to right after highschool (and graduating highschool is an utter joke these days, i graduated 4 years ago not doing a damn thing while making very good marks). they go to a college where they are treated as kings by both the faculty and students, coast through a joke of a major, and then get to participate in what is every american man's dream, the NFL.

and about the salaries, someone has to put these players into place, its not fair to the coaches, players or owners. look at brandon marshall, making about 12 million a year. if we had the cap, this would be about 1/10 of the salary cap, going to brandon marshall. yes hes an excellent talent, but is he really worth 1/10 of a 53 man team? revis is demanding 20 million, seriously? it seems every year a record breaking contract is signed and players hold out like kids throwing a temper tantrum when they dont get their way. heck it seems like half the players dont even play to win, just to compete over getting the most team crippling contract.

imagine if u own a company and offer someone a contract to get paid x amount of money for y years to do something. now one of these years that person refuses to work unless you pay more than x amount of money. do u give in? do they go to a new company? chances are hell no. you either fire their ass and make it nearly impossible for them to find a new job, or you have them face all sorts of legal trouble.

the amount of hype and attention the nfl gets makes us forget what it is, entertainment. nothing more.

[chris999]

What other job can you go into and make millions a year and have no work experience..... IMO Players get paid well for what they do. Even late round rookies get paid at or over 100,000 a year now. How many jobs do you know that pays that much right out of a 4 year collage.

i dont know the exact figure, but they are making a hell of alot more than $100 grand. i think the league minimum is about $650,000 per year.

[Rhys]

I understand the Bush example and I agree but again he and Marshall represent a small percentage of people in the NFL and all the people you mentioned like managers, stadium workers etc. will be affected by a lockout. I'd wholly support the owners if i knew they were re-negotionating to pay for consessions and janitors but I hadn't read that they're low on money because of that. The truth is we don't know the figures, especially their profit or lack there of. If they released financial information to the public or even just to the higher ups in the NFLPA then i'd be more inclined to support them.

[Snake]

Not many, and it is certainly aggravating to me who has a 4 year degree from NCSU and can't find a job in my field right now.

But the owners hold all the chips. You have to understand, athletes are overpaid for sure, but most have short careers, the average NFL player plays in the league for something like 3 years. It's a hell of a lot easier for me to sympathize with the players than it is for the owners. Many of these kids come out of small towns and have got no shot at 'success' other than sports and they work their tails of to get where they are.

Richardson is one of the few exceptions as he made his own way to fortune, but even he is privileged. I'm pretty sure a white male growing up in NC in the 40s-50s had a better shot than most. There are exceptions, but the large majority of owners are filthy rich and if you think an athlete is overpaid I'd like to know what your thoughts are on owners.

The NFL has always been about parity, monetarily and competitively, we have no A-Rods or Yankees, players who get paid more than entire teams. If I knew that the owners were wanting a larger slice of the pie so that they could disperse wealth more evenly and give back to the fans, I'd be all for it, but the lack of transparency with their records is a red flag to me.

This may be an ignorant bias but I'd rather see money go to players who seemingly spend their money and allow the American system to flow rather than owners who are in all likelihood just investing it and freezing it up in large companies, banks, etc.

Its easy to hate the boss but the fact still remains that most owners are running a business. I really don't feel sorry for the players because they are all collage educated and should be smart enough to manage there money well and get a job after Football is over with. Now the ones with injuries and serious medical conditions are different but the healthy ones should be able to live life without football. The way I see it is this. If you dont like how the owners are running things then leave. Go about you life and find something else you like. Just like any other hard working American would do. Cause no one else in America get the opportunity they do. This is why I dont like unions and feel America would be better without them. All Unions do is cry about what they dont get yet piss on what they do get.

[Rhys]

I would also add that I may be wrong but from what I understand the NFL is imensely profitable more and more so and that now that the current CBA is up the owners want to redistribute the wealth to make it even more profitable to their side.