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Hunter Cantwell: 1 day as backup QB?

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Clausen has never had an INT problem, hes not a gunslinger like the Old Man or Cutler. Clausen had 17 Ints his 2nd year, mostly due to lack of talent and having to do too much.

As a ND alum who watched every game Clausen played allow me to say this. The reason why he threw 17ints in his So season was a combination of youth and pressure.

Youth in decision making. What I mean by that is he hadn't yet learned the essential fact that for a QB sometimes throwing the ball away, when a play isn't there, is a good decision. He thought he always had to make a play which led to him forcing the ball and creating interceptions. The UNC game in his So year is a prime example. After halftime ND had the lead, the ball at the start of the 3rd quarter, momemtum and IMO UNC was reeling one more score and the game would have been over.

1st play of the 3rd quarter Clausen forced the ball into a void and UNC got a pick 6 out of it. Instant momemtum changer and that allowed UNC to go on and win the game.

As a Jr. Clausen improved his decision making 100%. Of his 4 interceptions as a Jr three bounced off the hands of his WR's. Maturity had set in and he finally figured out what Weis had been telling him, that if the play isn't there don't force the ball. Just get rid of the it and don't hurt the team with a poor decision.

Secondly, our OL during Clausen's 3 years at ND was perhaps the worst in ND history. Clausen got sacked 58 times as a true freshman and he essentially ran for his life during his 3 years. That pressure didn't help his decision making in his So year.

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As a ND alum who watched every game Clausen played allow me to say this. The reason why he threw 17ints in his So season was a combination of youth and pressure.

Youth in decision making. What I mean by that is he hadn't yet learned the essential fact that for a QB sometimes throwing the ball away, when a play isn't there, is a good decision. He thought he always had to make a play which led to him forcing the ball and creating interceptions. The UNC game in his So year is a prime example. After halftime ND had the lead, the ball at the start of the 3rd quarter, momemtum and IMO UNC was reeling one more score and the game would have been over.

1st play of the 3rd quarter Clausen forced the ball into a void and UNC got a pick 6 out of it. Instant momemtum changer and that allowed UNC to go on and win the game.

As a Jr. Clausen improved his decision making 100%. Of his 4 interceptions as a Jr three bounced off the hands of his WR's. Maturity had set in and he finally figured out what Weis had been telling him, that if the play isn't there don't force the ball. Just get rid of the it and don't hurt the team with a poor decision.

Secondly, our OL during Clausen's 3 years at ND was perhaps the worst in ND history. Clausen got sacked 58 times as a true freshman and he essentially ran for his life during his 3 years. That pressure didn't help his decision making in his So year.

I can back this statement completely. I watched every snap of every Notre Dame game while Clausen was there.

Some things to note:

*He had a lack of talent as a Freshman around him, and the talent that was there was very underdeveloped.

*He got sacked more than any other QB through three years in Notre Dame history.

*While he was there, Weiss never produced a single 1,000 yard running back.

*While Clausen was there, the offensive line was likely the worst in school history.

*While Tate was a great weapon for Clausen, his best weapon was Michael Floyd, who got hurt two years in a row and missed a lot of game time. While Floyd was out there he was the best deep threat in the country and it was a huge drop off in talent and production when he wasn't on the field.

*In his Junior season Clausen threw 4 interceptions. Three of which were tipped by his own players before landing in the arms of defenders. The fourth interception was thrown as a last second shot at the end zone before the end of the first half to a true Freshman WR in Evans, who never left his feet to fight for the ball. He basically just let the CB have it.

*Notre Dame had a terrible defense and recruited basically no defensive help while Clausen was there. On top of that, factor in Golden Tate was pretty much a fair catch machine on punt returns and Clausen had to regularly lead long drives while playing from behind because teams easily scored on ND.

He had a lot working against him and he knew this when he signed. If he wanted the easy way out he would have went to play for USC and lit up stat sheets and got easy wins.

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I have been to the last 3 practices. In this regard: 1. Cantwell is clearly getting the majority of the #2 snaps. 2. Cantwell is closer to Moore, than Clausen is to Cantwell.

Interesting. Thanks for giving us your perspective, and welcome to the board.

Thanks to the ND fans as well.

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@ND1991, @varking:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I take it that you guys are fans of JC and that's a primary reason that you're here. Speaking for myself, your posts seem well thought out (perhaps a little homerish, but there's nothing wrong with that), and here on C-Huddle, we always appreciate intelligent posters. Join the ranks full time, and consider becoming a full-fledged Panthers fan. Your teal and black robes are waiting for you...

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@ND1991, @varking:

Correct me if I am wrong, bu I take it that you guys are fans of JC and that's a primary reason that you're here. Speaking for myself, your posts seem well thought out (perhaps a little homerish, but there's nothing wrong with that), and here on C-Huddle, we always appreciate intelligent posters. Join the ranks full time, and consider becoming a full-fledged Panthers fan. Your teal and black robes are waiting for you...

I was originally a Jimmy Clausen fan first, and then a Notre Dame fan. I was originally a Jacksonville Jaguars fan, and still am for the most part, but I like to root for the local team and I moved to Winston Salem, North Carolina about two years ago.

Since then my best friend here has turned me onto the Carolina Panthers and I do plan on joining the ranks full time. I actually just purchased my first pair of tickets to a NFL Game just last night, and for the Panthers. :) Going to the December 19th game against the Cardinals! I can't wait to see the action live.

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I was originally a Jimmy Clausen fan first, and then a Notre Dame fan. I was originally a Jacksonville Jaguars fan,but I like to root for the local team and I moved to Winston Salem, North Carolina about two years ago.

Since then my best friend here has turned me onto the Carolina Panthers and I do plan on joining the ranks full time. I actually just purchased my first pair of tickets to a NFL Game just last night, and for the Panthers. :) Going to the December 19th game against the Cardinals! I can't wait to see the action live.

OK, fixed! j/k (a little bit):D

Welcome!

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I have been to the last 3 practices. In this regard: 1. Cantwell is clearly getting the majority of the #2 snaps. 2. Cantwell is closer to Moore, than Clausen is to Cantwell.

You are the first person to report this. Not to spoil the world's worst kept secret, but the Panthers did not waste their first pick of the 2010 draft on a backup to Hunter Cantwell. This is a business. They made an investment and it will be Clausen's job to lose and not Cantwell's. Cantwell is competing against Pike for a spot on the roster versus the practice squad by the end of camp.

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You are the first person to report this. Not to spoil the world's worst kept secret, but the Panthers did not waste their first pick of the 2010 draft on a backup to Hunter Cantwell. This is a business. They made an investment and it will be Clausen's job to lose and not Cantwell's. Cantwell is competing against Pike for a spot on the roster versus the practice squad by the end of camp.

I agree completely. They have seen enough of Cantwell in my opinion or they would not have drafted 2 QB's this year.

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I'm not Marty Hurney, but maybe they drafted 2-qbs, because the 2-qbs they had on their roster, Moore and Cantwell, are free agents at the end of the 2010 season. Without drafting a qb, the Panthers could have, theoretically, been without a qb to start the 2011 season.

If the #2 has been given to Clausen, then why waste those valuable reps on Cantwell. Again, today, Cantwell is the #2.

The investment side of things, regarding qbs, is interesting in the NFL. A few recent cases that proves that the NFL cares more about production, than investment. If this investment line of thinking was viable, then: Matt Flynn wouldn't have been #2 and Brian Brohm #3; Tyler Thigpen wouldn't have been in front of Pat White; Bruce Gradkowski wouldn't have started over JaMarcus Russell, etc.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The thing that sticks out to me is: 1) Clausen's college coaches' team, KC, passed on him 3-times in the draft, along with every other NFL team 2) Scherer is trying to change Clausen's throwing motion 3) Clausen is checking down on a lot of intermediate and deep throws which at least for the 3-days of camp I've seen, is going to be a staple of the Panthers offense, this yearand 4) as well as Cantwell is playing and the potential that Clausen, seemingly has, I think it is a safe bet that Moore, Clausen or Cantwell will be traded before the start of the 2011 season.

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Ok. Yeah Cantwell is awesome. They are just afraid of losing him to free agency. Are you serious?

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KC passed on Clausen because they overpaid for a QB last year and have so many holes in thier roster that they could not afford the luxury of drafting a QB just for the hell of it.

Also, I am 100% positive that Wiess had 0% input into how the draft went down.

Anyone who really thought or thinks that Cantwell is going to be the #2 guy is an idiot. Clausen isn't ready to start yet but they are going to make sure that he gets the most reps because if Moore shits the bed then Clausen is going to be the man.

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Yeah our first pick of this years draft is gonna play third string QB behind the guy that was our fifth string QB last season. Gimme a break.

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