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Post them here...

For me...if Peppers is gone then the 3-4 should be a real possibility and getting Cowher to run it is best case scenario. I really like John Fox but his "expertise" is with a 4-3 so if Peppers goes then so should Fox.

Trade Pep for his Franchise Tag price (two first round picks). No clue what we would do with the pick this year but that would be for the GM to decide.

If the 3-4 is the way we are going then there is one player that is a FA who would fit it perfectly...Terrell Suggs. If Pep doesn't want to play here then that is fine but maybe Suggs would want to.

- Beason would stick with the MLB and Davis would stick with the other OLB spot.

- We could do one of two things with our second MLB spot to play with Beason...we could either make a run at another FA (James Farrior comes to mind) OR...we could try to plug in Diggs, Seward, or a draft pick. Another option is to move Davis inside to play the other MLB, play Hilee Taylor as a speed rusher on the opposite side of whoever we sign (because we would have to sign someone).

The DL is where it really gets tricky...to stop the run you have to have a HUGE NT and two really fundamentally sound DE. Personally IDK if Kemo is up to playing NT in a 3-4...he gets soft at times but all he would have to do is become and immovable object and he would work. I have no clue what we would do at DE because you can't just move a guy over there from DT and expect it to work...trades would have to be made IMO.

Bottom line is that this is a mess. Would it be interesting to see how it all fit together...sure. But it would take multiple seasons to come together and we would pretty much have to completely change our team to do so.

But this is what trading Julius Peppers would do to us...we would either have to completely rebuild a DL made up of average players (which could take a couple seasons). Or we could switch to a defense where if you have a good scheme the players are interchangeable. The latter reason is why I have always been more of a fan of 3-4 defenses than 4-3 defenses...the freaks of the world are not necessary for success.

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I really like everything except nobody is going to give 2 1st round picks for Peppers and John Fox is not going anywhere

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we need a young aggressive DC and Pep will sign the contract we laid out for him. and you will see a huge difference in the D. we have the talent, just not a good scheme.

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Nobody is even going to give one 1st round pick for him. Teams don't trade 1st rounders for players anymore. Hell even Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.

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Someone sure enjoys seeing their name as thread starter. Let's see if we can go for 90 different threads to match his jersey.

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I really like everything except nobody is going to give 2 1st round picks for Peppers and John Fox is not going anywhere

I think that there are teams out there that would trade a first this year and then another first rounder next year if they are one player away (or so they think). While I agree with you that Fox probably is not going anywhere...he might as well be gone if Pep is b/c as I said his defense is based on one player.

Also, if they want Pep then that is more than likely what they will have to give up unless there is a way to negotiate around a franchise tag rule.

Nobody is even going to give one 1st round pick for him. Teams don't trade 1st rounders for players anymore. Hell even Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.

Please see the Jared Allen trade of last year then come and talk to me. I don't even put Allen in the same league as Pep with his skill set in the open field...I really think that someone could bite.

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Everytime someone says 3-4 I :lol:

Ignorant fuging statement.

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Everytime someone says 3-4 I :lol:

Ignorant f*cking statement.

So you would rather play a 4-3 without ONE legitimate pass rushing threat? Thats a reallll smart idea...

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as far as Randy Moss going for a 4th rounder ? Randy Moss was coming off of two back to back disappointing seasons and looked like he was finished. You can't compare getting a 4th for a guy in that scenario and the current Peppers.

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So you would rather play a 4-3 without ONE legitimate pass rushing threat? Thats a reallll smart idea...

As compared to playing a defense we have 0 personel for ? Ya.

Get eductated.

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So you would rather play a 4-3 without ONE legitimate pass rushing threat? Thats a reallll smart idea...

Are you serious? You can't just flip the switch and line guys up in a 3-4. We don't have the right type of Linebackers or defensive linemen for a 3-4. Get a clue.

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I'm getting tired of everyone having a hard-on for Cowher.

Aren't there any other coaches who took 14 years to win a superbowl that only coached for one team that already had an established system in place when they were hired that need some dick sucking?

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As compared to playing a defense we have 0 personel for ? Ya.

Get eductated.

We have one of the best DEs (If not THE best) in the entire NFL and our pressure was average. If we lose Julius Peppers be prepared to have one of the worst defenses in the league because you will not find a more effective DE in the draft, FA, in trades, not anywhere. So if our 4-3 was that ineffective WITH him...then think about it WITHOUT him. Would you rather wait around until we are one of the worst teams in the league to draft a potential bust to save this defense or would you rather suck it up for one year, change some personnel, and implement a system where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I'm just saying...we had the best DE maybe in the history of the league and we squandered him with an unimaginative defense and now he wants out. Are we prepared to do the same thing yet again?

Are you serious? You can't just flip the switch and line guys up in a 3-4. We don't have the right type of Linebackers or defensive linemen for a 3-4. Get a clue.

So are you saying the Beason can't play 3-4 MLB, that TD can't play the outside, that we can't sign a FA OLB? Or you are mentioning what I already said in that we would need to gradually find some DE to play? Because the first three are wrong assumptions and the last one I already said...

I'm not saying this is what we SHOULD do...but it would take the same amount of time to rebound from a switch to the 3-4 as it would to rebound from losing Julius Peppers. Thats the point...

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unicar peppers isn't one of he best DEs in the game.

beason and davis would probably be alright. we do not have a single 3-4 d lineman.

this is not difficult. stop making threads.

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Nobody is even going to give one 1st round pick for him. Teams don't trade 1st rounders for players anymore. Hell even Randy Moss was traded for a 4th.

umm no your wrong, dallas traded a 1, 3,5 for Roy W.

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unicar peppers isn't one of he best DEs in the game.

beason and davis would probably be alright. we do not have a single 3-4 d lineman.

this is not difficult. stop making threads.

and hes not because you says so or is there proof of this not just emotions from our beat down by the cardinals. :rolleyes:

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aren't we going to franchise one and sign one?(speaking of Pep and Gross) So why are we talking about him leaving?

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Franchise Peppers and Trade him to an AFC team for a 1st and 2 3rds just like Jared Allen. Lock Gross up NOW.....the o-line was our strength and we need to keep it together and have guys play the same position from one year to the next. The D-line needs an overhaul all the way around and Peppers just disappears way too often. He isn't worth the cap space he is going to command. That's my opinion anyway.....

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Trade pep to oakland for Nnamdi Asomugha (wants out of oakland) and a 2nd

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unicar peppers isn't one of he best DEs in the game.

beason and davis would probably be alright. we do not have a single 3-4 d lineman.

this is not difficult. stop making threads.

Name a DE that you would rather have...

I already acknowledged that we don't have a true 3-4 DL but that Maake played 3-4 NT for Baltimore for 4 years...read the whole post.

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Name a DE that you would rather have...

I already acknowledged that we don't have a true 3-4 DL but that Maake played 3-4 NT for Baltimore for 4 years...read the whole post.

and ray lewis said he needed a better nt the year maake became a FA, wonder why he wasnt resigned there, hmmmmm?? arguably the greatest 3-4 mlb in the last 20 years says the guy isnt good enough, might hold water.

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and ray lewis said he needed a better nt the year maake became a FA, wonder why he wasnt resigned there, hmmmmm?? arguably the greatest 3-4 mlb in the last 20 years says the guy isnt good enough, might hold water.

This is the only article that I can find with regard to the Lewis/Kemo relationship...

Lewis Upset Over Loss of Tackle Kemoeatu

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Maake Kemoeatu stayed out of the headlines when he played in Baltimore. But when the run-stopping defensive tackle left the Ravens to sign a five-year, $23 million free-agent deal with Carolina in the offseason, Ray Lewis was upset.

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Cowher isn't coming, Fox isn't leaving, Peppers will be franchised or traded and we are going to stay with the 4-3. Kemo absolutely can play the 3-4 and in fact he plays a 3-4 type role now as a two gap run stopper over the center. Look at the Giants game and tell me he doesn't make a difference.

Other speculation is plain stupid and a waste of time and space.

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We don't even need Cowher to come here to switch our philosophy...Mike Tomlin was a 4-3 defensive guy at Minnesota and he has adapted to a 3-4. It doesn't mean Fox has to leave in order for this to work...his defense has not worked the past 2 or 3 seasons and it especially wont work without Peppers.

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We don't even need Cowher to come here to switch our philosophy...Mike Tomlin was a 4-3 defensive guy at Minnesota and he has adapted to a 3-4. It doesn't mean Fox has to leave in order for this to work...his defense has not worked the past 2 or 3 seasons and it especially wont work without Peppers.

Tomlin was a different situation. Tomlin was the new guy, not the coordinator, who had a LOT of success, and a BIG name. It made no sense to change Dick's defense, they had all the personnel and run the most pure version.

Head coaches do not hire people who don't run their scheme.

People need to start making correlations that make so damn sense.

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