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I guess we will find out tomorrow why it's crucial to have 2 rb's.


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#16 Lumps

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:38 PM

If your lucky in a 16 game season you can lock it up by 13 or 14 an sit starters.

Would this mean second stringer would have more of an impact? Or teams would have more quality players which requires more money and a source for these players.

Imagine 18 games. Locked up at week 14 that's 4 games of bullshit money making. Then you have a month rested team going against one that isn't. When losing teams start to lose they aren't going to all of a sudden win if they just geniunly suck.

16 is perfect I think, keeps quality in check.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:49 PM

I don't get the whole greed thing, as if the owners are the only people profiting from an 18 game schedule?

1. We, as fans, get two extra weeks of real football. I mean if you don't want to see more games then why are you watching any at all? Do you just wait until the post season starts and then start watching like most NBA fans do?
2. The players already play 20 games (not counting postseason) so cutting 2 preseason and adding 2 regular season games will mean more chances to show what they are worth for bigger contracts in future seasons.
3. Larger roster size gives "scrubs" the chance to show themselves due to injuries to the starters in front of them or just to make the roster which means they get paid.
4. TV/radio networks would most likely benefit from 2 extra games through advertising (unless they're in Jax, TB, Det, Buf, etc.)

So, its not about the owners since they'll actually be paying more money in contracts and if the league was smart, they'd increase benefits to retired players since the extra 2 games a year will obviously take a toll on most NFL players. What greed are you referring to?

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:55 PM

I find it funny every time roger goodell talks about this he says "this is what the fans want"

Maybe the fickle fans but the hardcore fans most do not want this.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:10 PM

I think the season is too long by a couple weeks as it is. Shorten the season to 14 games and keep the preseason games at 2 or 3. there is only so much abuse these guys can take and I think that unless we do that the game will be neutered in ways we really dont want to see. As more medical knowledge becomes available as to how the human body is permanently incapacitated by this sport, the players and public will have something to say about it, and we will wind up with glorified flag football if we keep adding to the season length. I'd rather watch quality than quantity .

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:13 PM

I would not mind 18 games as long as there is 2 pre-season games. No need to pay anymore then we do.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:15 PM

The increased roster isn't to rest stars but deal with the inevitable increase in injuries. I wonder if folks said the same thing when they increased the season from 12 to 14 games and then 14 to 16 games.


that's possible, but I'm also curious if RBs broke down as quickly as they do now.. (as with other positions)

you see more hamstring, acl, etc injuries today than in the past.. perhaps players are getting bigger and faster.. but to say playing more games doesn't affect that isn't something I can buy into..

if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

the NFL is huge, there is no need to water down the competition by expanding more games and putting more stress on players.. (if you choose to believe that.. I do.)

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:16 PM

I think the season is too long by a couple weeks as it is. Shorten the season to 14 games and keep the preseason games at 2 or 3. there is only so much abuse these guys can take and I think that unless we do that the game will be neutered in ways we really dont want to see. As more medical knowledge becomes available as to how the human body is permanently incapacitated by this sport, the players and public will have something to say about it, and we will wind up with glorified flag football if we keep adding to the season length. I'd rather watch quality than quantity .


True..I am waiting on the documentary that sets football back 100 years.

and this 18 game schedule will help

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:19 PM

What are the fans losing if the league goes to 18 games? I've yet to see a logical answer even though everyone complains about how its so "perfect" now.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:30 PM

What are the fans losing if the league goes to 18 games? I've yet to see a logical answer even though everyone complains about how its so "perfect" now.


Football is the hardest sport on your body (unless you count rugby).. if logic is what you want, you could try that rabbit hole..

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:41 PM

So in a 16 game schedule starters wont get hurt but they will in a 18 game schedule?? Or are you saying that a retired NFL player at the age of 50 is having health issues is something we should try to prevent? They know what they are getting into just like rugby and NHL players which are probably worse sports on their health in the long run.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:48 PM

that's possible, but I'm also curious if RBs broke down as quickly as they do now.. (as with other positions)

you see more hamstring, acl, etc injuries today than in the past.. perhaps players are getting bigger and faster.. but to say playing more games doesn't affect that isn't something I can buy into..

if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

the NFL is huge, there is no need to water down the competition by expanding more games and putting more stress on players.. (if you choose to believe that.. I do.)


Back in the days when they played 12 games, players often played both directions on offense and defense. And while it is true that athletes are bigger and stronger, they are better conditioned and looked after. MOst players in the good old dau\ys worked other jobs to make a living and played football on the weekends. When they got hurt there was little they could do. They needed the money so they worked and played hurt or not.

An 18 game season wouldn't be that bad in my opinion and could avoid a lockout.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:59 PM

So in a 16 game schedule starters wont get hurt but they will in a 18 game schedule?? Or are you saying that a retired NFL player at the age of 50 is having health issues is something we should try to prevent? They know what they are getting into just like rugby and NHL players which are probably worse sports on their health in the long run.


not one person made the point you are saying they made.. (above in bolded) in 1 preseason game, on the very 1st play, you can get injured.. try 4 preseason and 16 games.. take 2 preseason out and add 2 regular season games, you add more stress to the body.. simple point really..

will we see a difference? aren't more people getting injured more frequently with injuries that didn't occur before? it's all really whatever you want to believe..

I guess if it helps.. think of it as there are players playing 2 full games more than 1 or 2 quarters in a preseason game.. Hines Ward thinks 2 a days are too much stress..

I guess it's whatever you want to believe.. I believe it's perfectly fine the way it is.. so why f**k with it...? unless the owner wants more money or the fans want more of what benefits them... sure the players know what they are getting into, but that doesn't mean it's a sound decision..

players want to play with broken ribs.. we know players don't know when to say no... throw in more money and they'll agree to anything..

all I'm saying is it's the best sport in the world.. quit f**king with it.. they've done enough...

Back in the days when they played 12 games, players often played both directions on offense and defense. And while it is true that athletes are bigger and stronger, they are better conditioned and looked after. MOst players in the good old dau\ys worked other jobs to make a living and played football on the weekends. When they got hurt there was little they could do. They needed the money so they worked and played hurt or not.

An 18 game season wouldn't be that bad in my opinion and could avoid a lockout.


yeah, but more players are getting hurt more frequently with injuries that weren't as common back in the day as they are now..

2 more games may not mean poo.. but I say the risk is bigger than the reward (in the form of dollars or the fan's guilty pleasure of 2 more regular season games)

throw in playoffs and I just think it's more stress than required...needed...there's no real need to fix what is already great...

yes, the off-season is long... some day we have to quit with the whole "me, me, me" mentality and let things be..

but that's just where I'm at with the whole thing.. maybe it's not going to be worse to add 2 more games.. I still don't see the need of 2 more games... then again, it doesn't really matter what the f**k I think.. that poo is most likely going to happen.. ;)

Edited by bleys, 24 August 2010 - 11:03 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2010 - 11:01 PM

I like Jeff Saturday's opinion of an 18-game season. He said that with only two preseason games, the starters will hog most of the playing time in preseason. In other words, he said if there was an 18-game season when he came out of college, he would have never made an NFL team.

Edited by N'wahlinsCayenne, 24 August 2010 - 11:05 PM.


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Posted 24 August 2010 - 11:06 PM

I like Jeff Saturday's opinion of an 18-game season. He said that with only two preseason games, the starters will hog most of the playing time in preseason. In other words, he said if there was 18-game season when he came out of college, he would have never made an NFL team.


I remember hearing/reading that somewhere.. I wish my mind was as good at recalling those things as some others around here...

anyhow, maybe the 18 season waters down how important each game is and rookies still get more playing time in the preseason, instead of starters getting to "mid-season form" asap...

I don't believe that to be the case.. just throwing it out there.. who knows.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 11:10 PM

I like Jeff Saturday's opinion of an 18-game season. He said that with only two preseason games, the starters will hog most of the playing time in preseason. In other words, he said if there was an 18-game season when he came out of college, he would have never made an NFL team.

But if they extend the active roster size by 5 or 6 players, you wouldn't need the extra games to sort out final cuts. They would be included.

Would you rather have a 16 game season and have a lockout or play 18 and have a season. That is what is it is likely to come down to.


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