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Fox to Cleveland?

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Fox in Tampa would be scary. Did you ever stop to think about his winning percentage down there?

8-8 is scary?

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8-8 is scary?

A floor of 7-9 with a good fundamental base, good defense and good running game is scary in a division opponent, yes. Instead of Tampa needing to overachieve, they'd pretty much be in the playoff hunt every season until the end.

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Any offense that isn't executing properly is going to be super boring to watch. When players are performing and we have the talent I think it's fun to watch. I thought our 03 offense was a load of fun to watch. lots of explosive plays.

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Better than Fox:

Ken whisenhunt - 27-21, inherited a good football team with a HOF QB and is .563

Mike Smith - 20-12. Got an argument here, lets see how he does when the wheels fall off.

Any Reid - 108-67. You get no argument from me on this one either.

Jeff Fischer - 136-110. Fox has had more consistency.

Bill Belichick - 148-92. At the top of everyone's list

Mike Shanahan - 146-98. All those years with Elway certainly didn't help, but I don't think he's better. Frankly, I put him in the same class as Seiffert.

John Harbaugh - 20-12. Inherited a killer defense. You really like second year coaches, don't you? Fox was 18-14 after two years, and led a team to the Super Bowl.

Sean Payton - 38-26. Yeah, probably (as much as I hate to admit it).

Mike McCarthy - 38-26. Gets a great offense, a franchise QB, and some defensive stars to build around. Give me a break.

Jim Caldwell - A first year coach who had Peyton Manning? I could lead them to 14 wins just by staying out of the way.

Tony Sparono - Another second year coach who inherited some talent. I wonder how high he would be on your list if they had signed Brees instead of the Saints.

Tom Coughlin - 123-101. Hasn't won as often as Fox, and frankly you shouldn't include them in the same discussion until one of Fox's teams quits on him. It's happened to Coughlin twice.

Rex Ryan - 9-7. A one year winner with an HBO special.

Mike Tomlin - 31-17. Inherits a Super Bowl team and has gotten worse ever since. Fail.

Mike Singletary - 13-12. Are you going on his rep as a player or something? Maybe you like the dropped pants in the locker room? It has to be something, because it can't be his record....

Norv turner - 90-98. Dude, I thought you were reaching with all the second year coaches, but this takes the cake...

equal to Fox:

Childress - 36-28. I wonder what Fox would have done with a great defense and Adrian Peterson... More?

Phillips - 81-54. Maybe so...

Lewis - 56-55. See Turner, Norv

Everyone else is unproven at this point but have the potential to be better than Fox.

Added some comments in there for you. But I get you now. Haters are gonna hate, and the shoe fits.

BTW, Fox inherited a 1-15 football team, and has gone 71-57 with two NFC Championships and a Super Bowl appearance. He's never done worse than 7-9, and his teams always play hard in December. Not too shabby, IMHO.

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I would love to play against a coach like Fox every year, twice/year would be a bonus. He is conservative and predictable.

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8-8 is scary?

Boy, some of you are slow. Lemme 'splain.

John Fox, coach of the Panthers, has won six of the eight times as a Panthers coach when they've played in Raymond Jame's Stadium. As a Panthers coach, he has a winning record against the Buccaneers when playing on the road. The comment was made to point out that we own the Buccaneers, by way of a suggestion that he be the coach because he wins a lot in their stadium. It wasn't intended to be a serious suggestion that he would be a .750 coach for the Bucs. Although, if they got him history suggests he would win more than he loses and they woludn't have any more 3-13 seasons.

But it was a facetious comment. I'm sorry you misunderstood.

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I would love to play against a coach like Fox every year, twice/year would be a bonus. He is conservative and predictable.

From a guy who did coach against Fox twice a year.

"I have so much respect for John Fox," Gruden said. "He's one of the top coaches in football. He's the winningest coach in Panther history. His players love him. What he did late last season - that says a lot. I have no idea what he'll be doing in 2011. But I'll tell you this - if the Panthers lose John Fox? Hey, I wish them luck. Because they'll need it."

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/08/02/1598234/former-coach-gruden-digs-into.html#ixzz0xj6alfgp

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Anyone we would potentially replace Fox with is nowhere near his level.

Why people want the best coach in the history of the panthers to leave town is beyond me.

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Why people want the best coach in the history of the panthers to leave town is beyond me.

Because a lot of people are too busy riding this guys jock.

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I like how everyone was on board to fire Fox last year until Moore saved his ass. Now it's like "HEZ THA GREATEST EVERS!!1"

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I like how everyone was on board to fire Fox last year until Moore saved his ass. Now it's like "HEZ THA GREATEST EVERS!!1"

Yeah how crazy for people to give credit to Fox for the performance of his players on the field.

Your logic is flawed.

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Yeah how crazy for people to give credit to Fox for the performance of his players on the field.

Your logic is flawed.

how about the 11 games he started Delhomme after multiple 3-4 INT games while spitting out BS like "he gives us the best chance to win." or "I couldn't pull just him without making changes elsewhere"? The only change he had to make was 1! It was his fault last season for leaving Jake out there so long and why we were horrible. All he had to do was make 1 change and he didnt do it until it was too late. If you dont see that, then you are too blind for help.

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