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Matt Foley

Epicurus on God

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able, and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?

-- Epicurus

Discuss.

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The canned answer of the faithful will boil down to free will.

No longer good enough for me.

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Faith.

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Maybe is our Father, but He abandoned us, He's delinquent in child support, yet still demands we love and trust Him just because He is our dad.

Or as is actually the case, the kids still hold out hope he's not a total jerk and someday He is going to win the lottery and take care of us forever and love us again.

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You can be a total jackass for a lifetime, have a deathbed change of heart (as long as it is "genuine" acceptance of JC) and still be saved.

Meanwhile, Ghandi burns.

Whatever.

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If people did the crap they do in his name....hell I would abondon people.

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able, and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?

-- Epicurus

Discuss.

I went to church with my parents last Sunday, and the minister read a similar version of this and tried to address it. It basically boiled down to what Epi said earlier about free will. I wasn't very impressed by the response. Not convincing enough for me.

And I really just can't get over how this whole Eternal Salvation thing is almost entirely predicated on where you're born and what your parents believe.

That's the thing that makes me think it's all bullsh*t.

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^Indeed.

Which is the call for evangelism (in some religions, in others you don't have a chance no matter what you do), so all can hear the good news and be saved.

The problems arise when people say "no thanks".

At that point, you either get to burn in eternity for a seemingly inconsequential crime of questioning "authority", or need to be killed for your lack of acceptance if the group is radical.

Pass.

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Yup.

When all is said and done, it still all boils down to the fact that if you want to be religious, you must accept the idea that you are going to believe in something that has no rational foundation or tangibility. The idea of having "faith" to me is nothing more than believing in something that is completely subjective, arbitrary and impossible to prove.

That flies in the face of my desire to be a rational person.

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Well said.

I would only add that you also have to embrace the concept that other religions are completely "crazy", and laugh at the millions of followers of the other religions for being so "misguided".

Which is smart, since the propagation of the religious meme requires the in-group/out-group phenomenon in order to survive and really take off.

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