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#31 bleys

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:47 PM

Boldin really would have been the ideal fit here.
But thats another argument.


but, but, but he's old and injured and he sucks too.... :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:48 PM

Sure, but my question is "Isn't that a pretty big gamble ?" For us yea. For JR who gets 100's of millions no matter what our record, not really.

Like I said if the diabolical plan works, someone bump this thread and I will tell everyone I was wrong.

either way is a gamble and would be reason for people starting threads complaining about what could go wrong.

if he were spending money like some of those other teams were doing...over paying for these FA players that have been signed this year then we would have a good bit of complaining as people looked at the long term and saw how much of the cap was burned on these players and that we would be missing out on some great possible FAs next year.

what if we gave someone like miles austin some ridiculous contract (like he got and didn't deserve, imo) only to find out that there wasn't any football next year so we gave ended up giving him $25.5 mil for just one year (unless you count the guaranteed $18mil with it in which case its over $40mil.)

people are going to complain and/or worry about either outcome. the grass is always greener on the other side of the argument.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:50 PM

Another interesting note.

Players doing their little performance Thursday night, showing unity.

JR makes this big speech, refuses to spend a dime. Other owners basically say GTFO and go spend money and sign big time guys.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:51 PM

okay just looked it up, speculation was that Peppers was offered $14 million a season which he turned down(obviously.)

Brandon Marshall's contract guarantees him less money than that per season, and so does Boldins.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:52 PM

either way is a gamble and would be reason for people starting threads complaining about what could go wrong.

if he were spending money like some of those other teams were doing...over paying for these FA players that have been signed this year then we would have a good bit of complaining as people looked at the long term and saw how much of the cap was burned on these players and that we would be missing out on some great possible FAs next year.

what if we gave someone like miles austin some ridiculous contract (like he got and didn't deserve, imo) only to find out that there wasn't any football next year so we gave ended up giving him $25.5 mil for just one year (unless you count the guaranteed $18mil with it in which case its over $40mil.)

people are going to complain and/or worry about either outcome. the grass is always greener on the other side of the argument.


I feel ya, but to me its better to try and swim to shore and drown, than tread water, hoping for a boat of nypho Marrisa Miller clones to come save you and still drown.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:52 PM

Boldin really would have been the ideal fit here.
But thats another argument.

i actually do agree with that. i also thnk that housh would have been a good addition for the short term. boldin would have been really sweet across from smith for years, though. it would have been hard to find a better and tougher couple of WRs in the league than those two.

i do also wish that we would go ahead and lock those three players up, as well. i don't see any harm whatsoever in that.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:53 PM

either way is a gamble and would be reason for people starting threads complaining about what could go wrong.

if he were spending money like some of those other teams were doing...over paying for these FA players that have been signed this year then we would have a good bit of complaining as people looked at the long term and saw how much of the cap was burned on these players and that we would be missing out on some great possible FAs next year.

what if we gave someone like miles austin some ridiculous contract (like he got and didn't deserve, imo) only to find out that there wasn't any football next year so we gave ended up giving him $25.5 mil for just one year (unless you count the guaranteed $18mil with it in which case its over $40mil.)

people are going to complain and/or worry about either outcome. the grass is always greener on the other side of the argument.


we don't have huge holes like those other teams.. I feel pretty good about our team.. but a WR could have been addressed this year with 2 great options and we failed, as we have failed the last 6 or 7 years, to bring in a solid receiver..

to say we need to spend like those other teams isn't really what the issue is.. we could have brought in 1 great FA acquisition...

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:53 PM

Kurb had some very valid points but who do ya'll think we should be wrapping up long term right now?


kalil, beason, williams in that order.

maybe charles johnson but that might not be necessary and can probably wait to find out.

beyond that we will be fine either way.



Beason is in the 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract.
Ryan Kalil, expect to see him wearing the Franchise Tag next year at a bargain price.
Deangelo Williams, this will be a toughie. William's health after this year, Stewart's long term health outlook will all figure into whether he's resigned.
It would be stupid to sign any of these guys long term right now from a business stand point, although it would give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:53 PM

okay just looked it up, speculation was that Peppers was offered $14 million a season which he turned down(obviously.)

Brandon Marshall's contract guarantees him less money than that per season, and so does Boldins.




I don't think we offered to pack peppers bags much less 14 mill for him to stay. Also Wr =/= De in cash terms

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:54 PM

Here is the problem JR really doesn't have to sign a bunch of player's to make this team a competitor. He just needed to snag one of the many viable WR threats to instantly contend this year while still opening up an absurd amount of cap room.

This leads one to believe JR is pinching as much as he possibly can, without care of being competitive.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:54 PM

I don't think we offered to pack peppers bags much less 14 mill for him to stay. Also Wr =/= De in cash terms


just going off of what Gantt/ESPN/etc said. what I'm saying is the money was there to do something and they didn't.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:55 PM

Beason is in the 4th year of his 5 year rookie contract.
Ryan Kalil, expect to see him wearing the Franchise Tag next year at a bargain price.
Deangelo Williams, this will be a toughie. William's health after this year, Stewart's long term health outlook will all figure into whether he's resigned.
It would be stupid to sign any of these guys long term right now from a business stand point, although it would give the fans a warm and fuzzy feeling.


Beason is the future of this franchise and only gets more expensive.
Kalil is the lynch-pin of this O-line and only gets more expensive.

Sadly I agree about Williams.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:55 PM

lol ok this thread is going too fast for me I'll just read

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:56 PM

I feel ya, but to me its better to try and swim to shore and drown, than tread water, hoping for a boat of nypho Marrisa Miller clones to come save you and still drown.

there would have to be at least the possibility of that happening for me to start trying to go on my own. waiting just a while longer when you hear something off in the distance that could save you would be better than wasting your energy in a futile effort.

each choice could just as easily be the right one as the wrong one.

considering the respect i have for JR in what he has built here, i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here although i don't agree with all of his decisions. given a choice between having JR and jerrah as owners, i'm going to choose JR every time and trust his judgment and business savvy more.

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:58 PM

we don't have huge holes like those other teams.. I feel pretty good about our team.. but a WR could have been addressed this year with 2 great options and we failed, as we have failed the last 6 or 7 years, to bring in a solid receiver..

to say we need to spend like those other teams isn't really what the issue is.. we could have brought in 1 great FA acquisition...

i 100% agree about not having many holes. i've said it many times that we are only one WR away form having a serious playoff team right now.


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