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I suspect that we'll end up with a team pay-roll that might even be higher than normal when the gurantees to folks like Jake are added in. Hard to agree to calling that "gone cheap".

I don't have the link in front of me but if I am not mistaken even with all the guaranteed money we spend dumping foks this offseason, we were still below most teams this year and well below last year's cap. Letting Pepper's walk ensured that even counting what we used on Delhomme. For next year we have committed something like 60 million so far which puts us in the bottom three along with Tampa and St Louis.

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I don't have the link in front of me but if I am not mistaken even with all the guaranteed money we spend dumping foks this offseason, we were still below most teams this year and well below last year's cap. Letting Pepper's walk ensured that even counting what we used on Delhomme. For next year we have committed something like 60 million so far which puts us in the bottom three along with Tampa and St Louis.

T think I saw the article that you are referring to , but as I recall, it was talking about money committed to contracts for 2011. There is no way we're only shelling out 60 mill includiing the guarantees this year.

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T think I saw the article that you are referring to , but as I recall, it was talking about money committed to contracts for 2011. There is no way we're only shelling out 60 mill includiing the guarantees this year.

Again off the top of my head I think the number for this year was something like 110 million. The other point is that the 60 million for 2011 only counts who we have under contract. Once they actually do decide to sign their free agents if they do, that 60 million will go up. In fact I have said that if they actually sign most of their core group like Wiliams, Davis, Kalil, etc, their salary could go up by 80-100 million more. All of the signing bonuses while being able to be prorated as part of the new cap over time are included as part of the team's salary in the year they are paid. That is one of the reasons I question whether Richardson will sign some of these guys.

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Here it is

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/12281/putting-carolinas-purge-into-perspective

First off, let’s remember there is no salary cap for 2010. If there was, the Panthers would be sitting at $124 million right now. Here’s the part that’s highly significant -- $29.2 million of that is in what would be called “dead money’’ in a capped year.

Thje projected Panthers payroll for 2010 is less than .5 mill below '09. That essentually means that we distributed 20 mill in Peppers deal mostly to Delhomme.

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don't have a problem with the panthers philsophy(just the execution of it) when was the last time the steelers signed a big name free agent from another team? they compete at the highest level on a regular basis even tho they've changed several coaches and front office people over the years. they draft players who fit their system & sign middle market free agents to fill needs.they went from contenders to champions once the found a true franchise qb(something that will hold the panthers back until they find one)

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We are, like, super deep into the hypothetical now. I'm just saying it's unlikely that Hurney stays on with a coach that he doesn't like so that seems to be a weird thing to worry about.
not worried and i agree that hurney won't stay with a cach he can't/won't work with (or one not named john fox). unless hurney signs the deal (and maybe even if he does) i think JR will do the hiring and hurney can stay or go and the panthers will go from there. i think hurney overall has done a pretty decent job but there are choices out there who i am sure could do as good or better given the right HC and situation. i'm not worried about that.

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I don't think it's so much a problem with the philosophy, it's more a problem with never making minor adjustments to the philosophy year-to-year.

I'm completely on board with 'build through the draft' but my only request with that is to take proven talent in free agency when it is there and still has value. Example = Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson.

I think that's what everyone's REAL problem is with the FO this offseason. And it's hard to just swallow that when you hear Hurney say Boldin didn't fit what we were doing and then he goes out and looks like Anquan Boldin still on MNF for a 'contender.'

I don't want big splashes in free agency, I just want smart ones and then continue to build through the draft.

DISCLAIMER: I know Boldin wasn't a free agent, neither is VJ, but they could (could've in Boldin's case) be had for a fair price.

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Here it is

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/12281/putting-carolinas-purge-into-perspective

Thje projected Panthers payroll for 2010 is less than .5 mill below '09. That essentually means that we distributed 20 mill in Peppers deal mostly to Delhomme.

The salary cap was 124 million but our payroll was much less at 112 million in 2009 which was 11th on the list. That dead salary cap of 29 million is totally irrelevant since there is no cap and that money was already paid in previous years. For 2010 it is projected at the same 112 million despite all the guaranteed money which puts us 17th on the list. So compared to other teams we did spend less this year than last and only have 60 million so far committed to next year. and if you take out Jake's guaranteed which they had no choice in, we would rank in the bottom five this year. Which if you look at the teams down there we would be in good company.

Here is a list so you can see how the money got distributed.

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2009

http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php

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IMO we do a solid job picking players in the draft. I would like to see us hang onto more picks, I mean do we really need to make a habit of giving up draft picks to move up and grab a player that would probably be available to us anyway? (i.e. AE).

I believe that Free Agency should be used to create competition at the position, and fill holes that you could not address in the draft. There is also value in bringing in a veteran to help develop your young guns. I think we miss that with Moose being gone. I do believe we have a good core that will be here for a long time.

Management has done a good job, but there is always room for improvement. I would suggest looking for those missing key components this next off-season. I don't see anything that would give us immediate impact in the free-agency market, nor do I think a trade scenario would be wise.

Go Panthers!

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I don't think it's so much a problem with the philosophy, it's more a problem with never making minor adjustments to the philosophy year-to-year.

I'm completely on board with 'build through the draft' but my only request with that is to take proven talent in free agency when it is there and still has value. Example = Anquan Boldin, Vincent Jackson.

I think that's what everyone's REAL problem is with the FO this offseason. And it's hard to just swallow that when you hear Hurney say Boldin didn't fit what we were doing and then he goes out and looks like Anquan Boldin still on MNF for a 'contender.'

I don't want big splashes in free agency, I just want smart ones and then continue to build through the draft.

DISCLAIMER: I know Boldin wasn't a free agent, neither is VJ, but they could (could've in Boldin's case) be had for a fair price.

I agree with this post. Like I said in other thread when you have had all preseason too see a position that was a weakness and with one tweek could be a value for more then one part of your team you should try too fill it. With so many quality #2 wr out their and the lack of you have on your roster why not use FA too fill it? Good #2 wr helps a young QB, helps other young WR, Helps the running game and Passing game. Helps the young DEf every thing we have on this team right now.

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The salary cap was 124 million but our payroll was much less at 112 million in 2009 which was 11th on the list. That dead salary cap of 29 million is totally irrelevant since there is no cap and that money was already paid in previous years. For 2010 it is projected at the same 112 million despite all the guaranteed money which puts us 17th on the list. So compared to other teams we did spend less this year than last and only have 60 million so far committed to next year. and if you take out Jake's guaranteed which they had no choice in, we would rank in the bottom five this year. Which if you look at the teams down there we would be in good company.

Here is a list so you can see how the money got distributed.

http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2009

http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php

Yes, but you can't say that that number is irrelevant because the Panthers came out very early and said that even though there wasn't a cap this year they were going to still operate as if there was one. Other teams like the Pats, Steelers, Eagles, Cardinals all came out and said, and done, the same thing this organization did.

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f what you are saying is true then the emphasis is going to be more on proving one philosophy of team building is right rather than doig whatever it takes to make the team better, even if it means deviating from their original course.

thats a dangerous way to run a business that doesn't allow for much in the way of growth or staying competitive. when your main goal is to stick to your guns and prove your point, you re going to be fighting against the flow unnecessarily.

i am really not a plan of this philosophy at all. you have to give yourself the freedom to deviate from your plan when needed (and it will be needed) or useful (and it will be useful).

on a side note it makes me wonder how long it takes them to give clausen the job. for a long time it seemed that they wanted to prove that they could be a competitive game without drafting a QB early. this year they did indeed deviate from that plan which shows that they are willing to veer of course slightly (still holding to that building through the draft rather than FA idea).

I don't buy that team leadership would do anything just for the sake of proving themselves right.

They really believe this is the right way to build a perennial contender. And yeah, there's evidence to support it.

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