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I'm still a John Fox Guy. What is wrong with me.

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Teams with the Top 5 Passers in Week 3: 0-5

Teams with the Top 5 Rushers in Week 3: 4-1

Teams with the Top 5 Rushers through the first 2 weeks: 11-4

Teams with the Top 5 Passers through the first 2 weeks: 4 -11

Nice try, though.

Ummmm I still take Manning 1, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady over the long haul of the season. Sorry dude, you can't win this one.

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Ummmm I still take Manning 1, Rivers, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady over the long haul of the season. Sorry dude, you can't win this one.

Funny, I'd say your opinion doesn't trump my facts.

Sorry, dude. You can't win this one.

Additionally, do you even know what we're debating?

This isn't a " WHOSE BETTA PEYTON OR ADRIAN PETUHSUN?"

This is about what helps you win games, more.

When your team is dominating in the run game, it's helping your team win more so than when your team is dominating in the pass game.

The facts are right there in front of you.

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I disagree.

Ask Phillip Rivers how well being the NFL's most productive pass has helped his team win.

You mean besides win his division every year as a starter. Perhaps you can talk to the Rams and Stephen Jackson.

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All ribbing aside (esp. my avy) I think fox has given us everything he could offer, and a change of regime would do good for both him and the team

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Teams with the Top 5 Passers in Week 3: 0-5

Teams with the Top 5 Rushers in Week 3: 4-1

Teams with the Top 5 Rushers through the first 2 weeks: 11-4

Teams with the Top 5 Passers through the first 2 weeks: 4 -11

Nice try, though.

Ahem.

Through Week 3, the leading passers are:

1. Rivers

2. Orton

3. Manning

4. Romo

5. Cutler

Let's see here...

Bears won, Cowboys won, and the Colts won. That's 3-2, not 0-5.

Through Week 3, the leading rushers are:

1. Foster

2. Peterson

3. McFadden

4. Mendenhall

5. Johnson

Let's see here...

Vikings won, Steelers won, Titans won. That's 3-2, not 4-1.

EDIT: Oh, and to site my sources: http://www.nfl.com/stats/player

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Ahem.

Through Week 3, the leading passers are:

1. Rivers

2. Orton

3. Manning

4. Romo

5. Cutler

Let's see here...

Bears won, Cowboys won, and the Colts won. That's 3-2, not 0-5.

Through Week 3, the leading rushers are:

1. Foster

2. Peterson

3. McFadden

4. Mendenhall

5. Johnson

Let's see here...

Vikings won, Steelers won, Titans won. That's 3-2, not 4-1.

EDIT: Oh, and to site my sources: http://www.nfl.com/stats/player

Put week 1, week 2, and week 3 in a vacuum, and that is what he is saying. The top 5 passers which were different each week had those records.

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if you has asked me 6 weeks ago, i would still be a fan of fox as well. i have defended him for a long time, and i am scared of the possibility of our next coach being a failure, but this season has just been the last straw that broke the camel's back.

there comes a time after 9 years when you think that a coach may finally learn something from his mistakes, but it seems that coach fox never will.

foxball works pretty good when your team is able to run the ball, and play good defense, but coach fox just seems lost when our team cant do these things well. someone who is in the exclusive club of NFL headcoaches has to be able to find success in different ways if your original gameplan fails.

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Put week 1, week 2, and week 3 in a vacuum, and that is what he is saying. The top 5 passers which were different each week had those records.

Good eye.

Didn't even see this post.

Glad you did.

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Not judging Fox by this year.....but all previous years. We need another HC. Fox is not a good talent evaluator, is not a good game manager, is too conservative, predictable, cannot make adjustments, is often out-coached, and hard to tell if he can't pick good assistant coaches or if he just ties their hands. He looked as if he started here well, don't know what happened. It was obvious years ago that he would not build and coach a championship team. I think JR is cleaning up Foxy's mess, setting this team up for the future.

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well, we're neither top 5 in passing or rushing, and at the current pace I don't see us getting anywhere close there, so the fact that fox runs too much (even though people have been complaining he/davidson have abandoned the run too quickly) is moot and the debate of a "passing v rushing" league is irrelevant to the topic.

to address the op:

"1. This team won't quit on him they always seem too fight for Foxx."

I don't know that this is the case this year. There has been some signs pointing to the fact that some players (specifically, smitty) are unhappy with the way things are run. i hope you're right, but i doubt it.

2. "I blame this on jerry he seem like he is setting Fox up to Fail and doesn't care how it hurts the future of his team."

jerry certainly deserves some blame, but i think it's because he DOES care about the future of the team that he is being cheap/playing young guys. yes, i believe this season is a throwaway and a rebuilding year, but i think it may benefit us in the future.

3. The coaches before Fox made major blunders. Dom trading 2 1st round for gilbert. George S gave Jeff Lewis the staring job and got rid of fan favorite Stevie B before the season. Both cost the team a few bad years in a row.

Fox has yet to make those kind of mistake.

playing jake when he was clearly done wasn't a blunder? (this is assuming he actually has the power to name the starting qb). using a 1st on brown hasn't panned out quite yet either (not saying brown doesn't have the potential, but he hasn't quite proven himself yet. it may be hurney's pick more than fox's, though). not going to argue that either of these are as bad as the gilbert trade or lewis over stevie b (though steve was an older qb, was he not? i don't think he had many years left.)

"4. Jerry again is going at this season all wrong. If you have a coach that is not going too be here why have him coach the youngest team in the leauge. What happen is you fire Fox. You set your teamback 2 or 3 years because they have too learn a new system and what the new coaches want too. "

the next system may not be all that different from what we're running now. i think the defense remains for the most part unchanged after fox leaves (this is by no means guaranteed, though). the offense may change more dramatically, but i still think we'll stick with what works and what we have the people for (ie power running and play action). i'm sure (or hope) that the offense will be more complex and less predictable, and that bodes well for us.

i think it is time to try someone new at hc and hopefully change the playcalling without changing the offensive philosophy (since that's what we're built for).

we still have a season to play, though.

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1. This team won't quit on him they always seem too fight for Fox.

Yeah, like Peppers and Jenkins.

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This is about what helps you win games, more.

When your team is dominating in the run game, it's helping your team win more so than when your team is dominating in the pass game.

The facts are right there in front of you.

Yes, FACT: no team has clinched anything this season and it is way too early to assume running teams are better just because a team rushes for 200 yards one week. We'll see if the smash mouth Chiefs are still undefeated week 8.

FACT: just because a QB/RB was a weekly leader doesn't mean the team he was on passes by design or runs by design. For instance, you can have a running team whose QB leads the league in passing for a week because they're playing the Vikings defense and they got nothing on the ground. Conversely, you can have a passing team whose RB just happens to find the holes in the front seven defense one week and puts up 150.

FACT: Your "facts" are basically a preemptive conclusion of surface analysis with no substantial evidence.

I'll give you a real fact, I'll tell you last year the best passing teams outperformed the best running teams 59-21 vs 41-39, and just that's a better review than looking up top performers. What's that about dominating in the run game being better than dominating in the passing game again?

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