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Admittedly, in the end, I'd also choose B.

If your boss started spending a lot of time trying to "help" you do your job, how would you react?

Then you're making a lot of assumptions and guessing about what is going on in those meeting rooms.

Everybody seems to be going out of their way to put the blame on Trgo. He deserves some. But look at what the article says. Fox got more involved with the D at about the mid point of the season. In the first half of the season, we averaged giving up about 200 ypg passing and 100 ypg rushing (against some of the best RBs in the league). Fox then gets involved and "helps" us get to 230 ypg passing and 140 ypg rushing. Good thing you folks want to keep Fox around to "help" the new DC. He's going to be in great shape with less talent on the D and not much for cap room or draft picks to get any.

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Then you're making a lot of assumptions and guessing about what is going on in those meeting rooms.

Everybody seems to be going out of their way to put the blame on Trgo. He deserves some. But look at what the article says. Fox got more involved with the D at about the mid point of the season. In the first half of the season, we averaged giving up about 200 ypg passing and 100 ypg rushing (against some of the best RBs in the league). Fox then gets involved and "helps" us get to 230 ypg passing and 140 ypg rushing. Good thing you folks want to keep Fox around to "help" the new DC. He's going to be in great shape with less talent on the D and not much for cap room or draft picks to get any.

I'm going off of what Gantt said based on his sources.

Your take is essentially choice A, which I agree is a valid possibility.

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i know they changed the rules some and that had an effect on it. i do miss the physical play of our CBs. we used to maul WRs back then, especially in 03

i dont think we will ever know who made the bonehead move to go away from this obviously very effective strategy

to be fair, the rules of the game changed.

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Makes one wonder how the players in locker room were taken it !

If your working in a company amd everyone sees the boss taking over for someone,Then Turd starts talking to people who talk to people who talk to people .

Pretty soon everyone has opinions on the matter some for some against

Then those people start fussing amonst each other and soon theres and ERIE feeling ..

Some just went through the motion just to get the season over and get home .

With hopes come trainning camp it will be took care of .

Jenkins saw all this last season and got out .

Peppers gave it a chance to get better ,It did not . Now he wants out .

Some one needs to step up and take out the trash !

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Is it to much to ask just to see our CBs hitting the wide receivers off the their routes and just more physical play in general? :confused:

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I'm going off of what Gantt said based on his sources.

Your take is essentially choice A, which I agree is a valid possibility.

Where do you get choice B based on what is in that article? The only way is to add a lot of speculation into the mix.

It may not be as clear as your "too many cooks" in choice A either. When I hear that term, I think about 2 guys making changes without regard for what the other is doing. In this case, maybe deciding to send an LB or 2 on a blitz without changing the remaining coverage responsibilities. But the actual situation here could be that there was agreement but the changes themselves created issues. We had gone through camp, the pre-season, and at least half the regular season, then we made changes. There will be an adjustment period. Some of our LBs and DBs looked lost in coverage against the Cards. I swear I thought I saw Davis covering Marshall more than once.

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Is it to much to ask just to see our CBs hitting the wide receivers off the their routes and just more physical play in general? :confused:

Soft zone coverage.

We were down on PI calls (one all season) but also didn't have much in the way of interceptions. There were some cases (Saints game in particular) where I saw plenty of opportunities for gys to jump routes, but they wouldn't.

It makes you wonder if they've been coached not to.

And if so, is that on Trgovac or Lewis?

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Where do you get choice B based on what is in that article? The only way is to add a lot of speculation into the mix.

It may not be as clear as your "too many cooks" in choice A either. When I hear that term, I think about 2 guys making changes without regard for what the other is doing. In this case, maybe deciding to send an LB or 2 on a blitz without changing the remaining coverage responsibilities. But the actual situation here could be that there was agreement but the changes themselves created issues. We had gone through camp, the pre-season, and at least half the regular season, then we made changes. There will be an adjustment period. Some of our LBs and DBs looked lost in coverage against the Cards. I swear I thought I saw Davis covering Marshall more than once.

You might be overthinking it here.

Per Gantt, Fox started horning in on the defensive side of things about mid-season, which is right around the time we fell off. This was the second straight season Fox had gotten "more involved" in the defense.

The question is simply this: Do you believe we fell off because Fox's input messed things up or do you believe having Fox looking over his shoulder adversely affected Trgovac's ability to do the job?

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What doesn't make sense to me if why would Fox get more involved if everything were going along fine. He gets involved when things are not going well not the other way around. And his fixes would be directed toward areas which need improvement which in the past have been largely successful. I would think that if his interventions weren't successful he would either back off or try something else. I haven't really seen an example of where his interventions made things worse rather than better. If not before then why now?

It makes more sense that our defense was worse as the season progressed due to the better competition we were facing. And he got involved as we started to struggle. On the other hand maybe he needs a new perspective or new approach. Our defense isn't as aggressive as it needs to be and without Peppers it will need a new scheme. If we don't it will be the worse one we have had under Fox. And after this year, that would take some doing.

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What doesn't make sense to me if why would Fox get more involved if everything were going along fine. He gets involved when things are not going well not the other way around. And his fixes would be directed toward areas which need improvement which in the past have been largely successful. I would think that if his interventions weren't successful he would either back off or try something else. I haven't really seen an example of where his interventions made things worse rather than better. If not before then why now?

It makes more sense that our defense was worse as the season progressed due to the better competition we were facing. And he got involved as we started to struggle. On the other hand maybe he needs a new perspective or new approach. Our defense isn't as aggressive as it needs to be and without Peppers it will need a new scheme. If we don't it will be the worse one we have had under Fox. And after this year, that would take some doing.

Gantt didn't provide a specific time when he got involved other than "mid-season". It's logical to expect that it happened after something made him think there was a problem. What it was, or exactly when? Not known at this point, but you can make an educated guess.

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we actually started the season with an elite defense. had the #2 secondary in the league. shut down every elite RB we played. shut down the #1 and #2 passing offenses.

then after the bye mid-season they collapsed. this article is making me rethink things a bit.

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we actually started the season with an elite defense. had the #2 secondary in the league. shut down every elite RB we played. shut down the #1 and #2 passing offenses.

then after the bye mid-season they collapsed. this article is making me rethink things a bit.

If our defense was doing so well then why would Fox intervene? He is not the problem and at worse was not able to fix it. But his intervention clearly wouldn't have been the problem or made things worse. Otherwise he would have just kept things as they were and kept going along as we were. Seems to me after the break we went to much more of a zone look after using more man coverages early.

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