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#121 Dollar Store Dave

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:14 PM

:lol: If people can go to the extreme and use asinine comparisons such as Clausen vs Weinke, then why not Clausen vs Peyton Manning too?


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:20 PM

A lot of statistics are being chucked out as comparison, however anyone who has any grasp of maths would realise that no conclusions can be made from just two pieces of data. Add in there is no possible way to have a control group and you quickly realise that comparing ANY two players via statistics is a sure fire fail. Only until Clausen has completed a full season could you start to make comparisons with any sort of argument. Add in that QBs generally make their most improvement either after their rookie or 2nd year and you will realise it will only be a valid statistical analysis after 3 years of starting football.

What makes me shake my head, is that all through Delhommes meltdown season we had a ridiculously high percentage of fans stating we just need game manager and someone who does not make mistakes. Well, newsflash, Clausen is doing exactly that. Low and behold we now need someone who can make plays.

Anyone trying to make a judgement either way about this kid is a moron.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:25 PM

tl;dr

Matt Moore's rating is better than Clausen's on Madden, he's obviously better.

CRA and panther55 study game film 24/7, and can break down film better than NFL coaches.

Matt Moore is the savior of the franchise.

Steve Smith must have the ball every play, ONLY AFTER Matt Moore touches it first.

Jimmy sux.

Did I miss anything?


You suck and don't know squat.


Now it is complete.:D

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

You suck and don't know squat.


Now it is complete.:D


Awesome. Knew I was missing something.

Now can we go back to talking about the real world here. You know, like where Clausen is the starter moving forward (and imo, better than Moore), it's going to be like that for a while, and where you are CRA and the idiots?

Edited by RufftownRepresent, 04 October 2010 - 04:29 PM.


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

i honestly attribute much of clausen's struggles to not getting reps with the starters during camp and preseason.


It really makes you wonder why Fox pretended Moore would be the starter for so long. If Moore was on such a short leash, why not let Clausen get proper practice?

God he's stupid.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

A lot of statistics are being chucked out as comparison, however anyone who has any grasp of maths would realise that no conclusions can be made from just two pieces of data. Add in there is no possible way to have a control group and you quickly realise that comparing ANY two players via statistics is a sure fire fail. Only until Clausen has completed a full season could you start to make comparisons with any sort of argument. Add in that QBs generally make their most improvement either after their rookie or 2nd year and you will realise it will only be a valid statistical analysis after 3 years of starting football.

What makes me shake my head, is that all through Delhommes meltdown season we had a ridiculously high percentage of fans stating we just need game manager and someone who does not make mistakes. Well, newsflash, Clausen is doing exactly that. Low and behold we now need someone who can make plays.

Anyone trying to make a judgement either way about this kid is a moron.


Just goes to show you that when we have a decent team with veterans and skilled players, we need a game manager. With this bunch of inexperienced players we actually need a good quarterback. Or at least one like Delhomme who can win a game in the fourth quarter.

Problem is neither Moore or Clausen have shown they do any of those things right now.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:30 PM

Awesome. Knew I was missing something.

Now can we go back to talking about the real world here. You know, like where Clausen is the starter moving forward (and imo, better than Moore), it's going to be like that for a while, and where you and CRA and the idiots?


I realize Clasuen is the starter and support it.

claiming he is better than Moore (right now) is absurd.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:30 PM

Awesome. Knew I was missing something.

Now can we go back to talking about the real world here. You know, like where Clausen is the starter moving forward (and imo, better than Moore), it's going to be like that for a while, and where you and CRA and the idiots?


Maybe you should wait until Clausen has actually won a game. In 3 games as a rookie Moore went 2-1 with no preseason or training camp. At the pace right now, Clausen will go 0-3. Hard to say that is better. So far Clausen has shown little to nothing whether he is the starter or not.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:31 PM

In 3 games as a rookie Moore went 2-1 with no preseason or training camp.


By no preseason and no training camp, you mean the one with the Cowboys he went through and the one with the Panthers that he went through, not to mention the time he spent on the Panthers roster before the starts?

Oh, yeah, then no, he had no training camp or preseason.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:36 PM

By no preseason and no training camp, you mean the one with the Cowboys he went through and the one with the Panthers that he went through, not to mention the time he spent on the Panthers roster before the starts?

Oh, yeah, then no, he had no training camp or preseason.


Yeah he got no reps with our players and wasn't picked up until after the preseason was over. In fact he started with less than 1 week of prep with the starters. Whereas Clausen got work with the 1s from day 1. In fact the guys starting now were the second teamers under which Clausen played most of the preseason so he really has no excuses.

So yeak Moore came in with little to no expereince and was much better than Clausen.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:40 PM

Yeah he got no reps with our players and wasn't picked up until after the preseason was over. In fact he started with less than 1 week of prep with the starters. Whereas Clausen got work with the 1s from day 1. In fact the guys starting now were the second teamers under which Clausen played most of the preseason so he really has no excuses.

So yeak Moore came in with little to no expereince and was much better than Clausen.


You do understand that Matt Moore has been in our system since 2007... Right?

He practiced with the team in all of '07, and even got live reps.

He went through training camp and preseason in '08, until he finally broke his leg in the last preseason game.

He went through the training camp and preseason of '09, and saw live reps.

He through the training camp and preseason of '10 with the #1s (not Clausen), and got the start at the beginning of the season.

With four seasons under the Panthers system, he still looks equal (I would argue less than) compared to a guy who has spent six months with the Panthers, so far.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:50 PM

We all have eyes panthers55, stop trying to convince us that Moore should start.
Just accept the facts, coach. Your football IQ is degrading with every post you post.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:05 PM

Yeah he got no reps with our players and wasn't picked up until after the preseason was over. In fact he started with less than 1 week of prep with the starters. Whereas Clausen got work with the 1s from day 1. In fact the guys starting now were the second teamers under which Clausen played most of the preseason so he really has no excuses.

So yeak Moore came in with little to no expereince and was much better than Clausen.


er, what? He was on the team since the end of the preseason, didn't start until the last couple weeks, and he even had live gametime with starters in a few games that he didn't start through that period (and, btw, he looked pretty bad at times, and good at others). In addition, I could have sworn someone had said he was splitting reps with one of our other backups with the starters after one of our QBs got injured during practice (again, before his starts)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:10 PM

Just goes to show you that when we have a decent team with veterans and skilled players, we need a game manager. With this bunch of inexperienced players we actually need a good quarterback. Or at least one like Delhomme who can win a game in the fourth quarter.

Problem is neither Moore or Clausen have shown they do any of those things right now.


You read what you want to read don't you? For a start our backfield is probably deeper, 80% of our OLine was playing then as well. Steve Smith is still Steve Smith. The TEs are EXACTLY the same. The only differences between the two seasons are no Moose, who was ancient and no Vincent. The running game was clicking because we stuck to it (it was slow at the beginning of that year too) whereas this year we seemd determined to get away from it.

Seriously, how are the teams that different? How can each team demand a completely different QB. Moreso, how can you expect the rookie QB to be the one who makes the plays whereas Delhomme should of just been managing the game?!

We made big moves on the defensive side of the ball to get younger, not the offensive side.

Maybe you should wait until Clausen has actually won a game. In 3 games as a rookie Moore went 2-1 with no preseason or training camp. At the pace right now, Clausen will go 0-3. Hard to say that is better. So far Clausen has shown little to nothing whether he is the starter or not.


Maybe you should wait for more the 2 starts before making assumptions. In Moore's first three starts he had a top 5 defence and the best running game in the league. Clausen has a decent defence and a stuttering running game.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:12 PM

It is so, so early in Clausen's career to make these sort of evaluations.

It's not about how you start, it's how you finish. If this kid makes it through this season, he will have learned how the NFL works the hard way. If he has the talent, I think he does, and is committed to winning, there's no where to go but up.


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