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#61 Jpjr

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:37 AM

ever since smith got on Clausen on the sidelines I have seen a lot of posters turn on him..

It was not that big of a deal..and if this is true and I dont think it is then Clausen would be in the wrong here.lets not forget what dropped him to the 2nd round.



You are looking at it as an isolated incident. It's a series of events.

Steve Smith needs to make a decision whether he thinks he does or not.

Either,

1. Acknowledge that he is on a rebuilding team that is not anywhere close to a Super Bowl and step up a become a real leader; or,

2. Request a trade and leave.

What he shouldn't do is what he's doing now. Whether he intends to or not he's done everything wrong with a rookie quarterback. Yelling at him on the sidelines? Expecting him to thread the needle into double coverage so he can get his looks? Sitting out practices with one problem after another? Doing zero publicly to aknowlege Jimmy as an integral part of the offense (see Jordan Gross)?

Some leader.

Did anyone notice that since Randy Moss' recent comments he's playing himself out of the offense? Guess how many passes he caught from Brady last night on MNF? Zero. None. Zilch. The Pats won 41-14.

I just decided, I hope that Jimmy did throw that pass in the "dirt". The Panther's need someone concerned with this young team to lead it.

#62 Seamonk

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:39 AM

At least our other receivers got reps later on and made plays.. and With Jarrett probably about to get his ass released, we'll probably see more production from other receivers. Tolbert has his hands full...

#63 Woodie

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:45 AM

I hate threads like this. It puts baseless ideas in people’s heads, and then they start talking about it as if it is a fact. No matter how many times you say it is only conjecture or that you are simply wondering, too many people will take this and run with it. IMO, this creates a divide among fans and a problem where none existed, and it is how unfair and unjust reputations begin.

#64 MadHatter

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:45 AM

Lot of hypotheticals, but okay, for the sake of discussion, let's carry on...

"If you believe that's true, it could be argued that Clausen asserting himself would be a good thing. A leader needs to act like a leader, and sometimes that can mean putting other guys in their place."

Wow, I'm not sure I'm ready to assume Jimmy Clausen is a leader on this team. There's no "rule" that says a QB is the leader on a team, no positional hierarchy that lays claim to the leadership role just because you're a QB. I think it's far easier to make the assumption that Steve Smith is the leader of this team and with a known personality and a proven veteran like Smith, I'd be hesitant to even remotely think that Smith is going to pass the reins of leadership to an unproven rookie until the rookie proves himself worthy.

"Regardless of which side you'd take in this argument (all of which is hypothetical until proven otherwise) the last thing the Panthers need at this point is any sort of schism, especially one that has anything to do with the guy that the team needs to be able to rally around."

This reminds me of the "Matt Moore or Jimmy Clausen for starter" argument that basically calls for fans to take sides, and that's where the argument starts- you're either a Matt Moore fan or a Jimmy Clausen fan, and you can't be both. It has created a huge divide on this message board and among fans in the stadium. Again, the assumption is being made that the team needs to rally around Clausen for some reason which I think goes back to the "leader" issue. The team will rally around who they feel can step up and lead, they are not going to bear false allegiance to some rookie kid who possibly hasn't earned any modicum of respect or displayed any willingness to become one of the guys (one of the issues that surfaced about him in high school and at Notre Dame).


You ABSOLUTELY need for your starting QB to be a leader on your team. Like it or not, this is Clausen's team now.

#65 Seamonk

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:49 AM

lol. Even if you don't think Jimmy Clausen is a leader just because he's a quarterback, I'm pretty sure Jimmy Clausen thinks he's a leader because he's a quarterback. No one calls their WRs over to stay with him and work on plays for a summer for fun. Jimmy Clausen is going to win. He wants to win, he's going to put that idea into everyone's head. (oh shi- inception). He doesn't care who else is on the team, he's going to treat this like his team.

(I wish he'd put a little air on his balls every now and then... no homo)

#66 Brooklyn Bully

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:01 AM

This reminds me of the "Matt Moore or Jimmy Clausen for starter" argument that basically calls for fans to take sides, and that's where the argument starts- you're either a Matt Moore fan or a Jimmy Clausen fan, and you can't be both. It has created a huge divide on this message board and among fans in the stadium. Again, the assumption is being made that the team needs to rally around Clausen for some reason which I think goes back to the "leader" issue. The team will rally around who they feel can step up and lead, they are not going to bear false allegiance to some rookie kid who possibly hasn't earned any modicum of respect or displayed any willingness to become one of the guys (one of the issues that surfaced about him in high school and at Notre Dame).


So you side with Matt Moore. Got it.

#67 Snake

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:31 AM

From what I saw Jimmys Smoke passes have always come in a bit low. Even that one to Smith where he got hurt came in low. So it could have been just a mistake. More then likely it was.

#68 Miaoww

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 10:36 AM

My point is, if I had a choice between Peyton when he was drafted and Jimmy when he was drafted, I'd take Peyton. Because he was/is the hardest working QB in all of football. He wants to know everything about the game, and how to be the best. That simple fact alone shows he knew he needed to earn it.

Jimmy was good at ND for a single season against very weak competition. His draft stock fell for a reason.


He was good for two years and excellent in his junior season. He was so good Golden Tate let his draft decision hang on whatever Clausen decided to do.

And ND played a decent schedule. They always do.

Oh and Brantley sucks.

#69 CatMan72

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:06 AM

Truth is, none of use will ever know what really happened so I don't see much point in discussing this.

#70 Cat Fanboy

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:06 AM

Stupidest conjecture ive heard all year.

#71 Kral

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:10 AM

Overanalysis imo.

If Jimmy were to be so unprofessional because the greatest player on the team can't get the ball and is frustrated then I'd say he doesn't need to be a starting professional quarterback.

#72 SorthNarolina

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:12 AM

when smith called that timeout I would be saying "thanks for saving my ass" rather than "don't embarrass me".

#73 Panthers128

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:16 AM

Seriously how you guys can continue to worship Clausen for the dumbest reasons is beyond me. I'll join the bandwagon when he does more than complete 50% of passes and stops being an asshat of a teammate to a veteran.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:19 AM

Start Matt Moore.


Fixed.

#75 rayzor

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 11:21 AM

i don't buy into the OP but i will say that smith is looking less like a solid vet presence that the young 'uns can look up to and more like a grumpy old man.

the time out should/could do him and the others some good.


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